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To be really shocked by the Panorama show Poor America

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MrsHeffley · 14/02/2012 17:58

I just can't believe that Americans don't care how their poor get literally no healthcare or help at all ie no job no food,home,benefits or healthcare what so ever.

I love America and we have American family but dp and I were appalled and totally shocked.

All those families living in drains and tent cities,schools sending kids home with food and worst of all zero healthcare and all those hundreds of desperate people queuing up in cars on the off chance of free medical care,the girl whose mum ate rats.....

The complete utter lack of hope.I just don't get how such a rich country can justify in all these years not voting in free healthcare for the poor at the very least.

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ivykaty44 · 14/02/2012 18:29

Yet all the posts here on MN about how taking social benefit away would be a good thing, as all these people living on beneifts use the money to buy wide screen tv's and smoke balh blah blah.

This is the reality of what could happen here - possibly not to the same degree but similar road we could travel.

Pensions being cut now and those pensioners will be the ones not eating and sleeping in the tent villages

SeaShellsOnTheSeaShore · 14/02/2012 18:29

Petition signed, Northernwreck, I've been meaning too, so thanks for finally getting me to do it!

sunshineandbooks · 14/02/2012 18:32

I agree with posters saying that this will be the way the UK goes if we allow all the Coalition changes relating to the NHS and welfare state.

It's very, very scary, particularly the NHS changes, which are basically privatisation through the back door. If we let these reforms go through, the next thing will be 'incentives' to get people to go private and pay for private insurance, followed by those on benefits being eligible for a free (but substandard) form of insurance so that 'no one will suffer', but it will eventually leaving lots of low earners and those on lower-middle incomes (i.e. most of the country) completely without.

The cap on HB means in some areas you will have to house a family of 5 (2 adults, one boy, one girl) for less than £280 pcm. Even in the poorest regions that's a tall order and pretty impossible in the private sector. That's assuming that you qualify for anything at all. We'll end up with people forced to live in substandard, overcrowded conditions, resulting in an increase in health problems and social deprivation.

The changing of the criteria for who is disabled will mean plenty of people are newly termed unemployed with an associated drop in income but with no hope of getting a job. They will suffer financially and socially as a result, and it is likely that their health will deteriorate further.

Give us 10 years and that programme could be about Britain. And the justification for it is that the poor deserve their plight because they are all lazy and feckless (after all, there are plenty of jobs available according to some).

Right wing (I mean right of centre, not fascism) politics has always relied on the assumption that those with the wealth will behave in a philanthropic way and divert money back into the economy and good causes so that those at the bottom benefit. Some, of course, do. But if history should show us anything it's that in general the super-rich hang on to their wealth at all cost and do a very good job of getting the moderately rich, the comfortable, and the poor to fight among themselves for the rest.

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 14/02/2012 18:35

I've signed too, there is also a link to another epetition on 'In the news'.

The NHS being dismantled isn't something that anyone can afford to ignore, it's not about rich and poor, this is something that every single one of us should be able to agree on.

The rich will still need access to ambulances if they have a heart attack or are involved in an RTA. Private insurance doesn't cover emergencies, and insurance being insurance there is way that even fairly high earners will be able to ensure that they are covered for every possibility.

The NHS effects everyone, no matter how much or how little they have financially.

NorthernWreck · 14/02/2012 18:36

Thanks seashells Smile
I will keep posting the link as this thread grows.

I am hoping the NHS bill will be the current governments Poll Tax.
Our grandparents, and great grandparents, welcomed the NHS and the welfare state with open arms because they knew the alternatives.

It stands for fair play and nobody having to starve, or die because of a lack of money. We need to prove to the politicians that we still care about those things.

They are counting on the fact that we are all a bit scared, and going to turn on each other, look after our own families first and bugger everyone else.
Prove to them that Britain will still do the decent thing.

lesley33 · 14/02/2012 18:37

Agree it is shocking. If you want to help people you can donate to individuals through this website. All individuals stories are checked out and the charity don't give out cash - they pay bills, etc directly.

Most are individuals who because of disability, sickness or some other disaster face not being able to pay an electric bill, rent or some other basic service.

www.modestneeds.org/donation/tutorial/

MrsHeffley · 14/02/2012 18:42

Northern I don't get why there isn't more of a hoo ha about it,I heard more widespread anger re the forests and I don't know anybody not worried about the NHS.

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OTTMummA · 14/02/2012 18:42

Thank you for the link Northern, signed and shared.

lesley33 · 14/02/2012 18:43

Just to say that sadly I did know it was like this in America. I have American relatives who basically live in a shack. One of them has had both her legs amputated as a result of poor and non existent medical treatment for a genetic condition. My dad who has the same illness, but is much older, is in good health because of the NHS.

MrsHeffley · 14/02/2012 18:45

I had no idea Lesley,dp has family in the US too.

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MrsHeffley · 14/02/2012 18:46

I have signed.

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Nilgiri · 14/02/2012 18:48

Unison have been running a site for over a year, A million voices for public services, helping co-ordinate action to save services including the NHS.

You can pick and chose what to get involved in - it doesn't involve signing up to anything monolithic.

GoingForGoalWeight · 14/02/2012 18:49

I will watch on iPlayer, if i can do so, over the weekend. I shall write a reply here. I'm really not looking forward to it :(

Ineedalife · 14/02/2012 18:51

northernwreck, i have signed the petition.

Was shocked at panorama and as a parent with a poorly paid job there is no way i would be able to pay for health care. Shock

AmberLeaf · 14/02/2012 18:54

I know re the NHS I'm scared and confused as to how nobody is jumping up and down about it

People are jumping up and down about it though, it just that the vast majority of people in this country dont think it will happen or a they are fit and healthy think it wont/doesnt affect them-so dont really care.

As other posters have said, look at some of the attitudes towards benefit claimants and opinions about the welfare reform bill.

Yes we are heading this way.

lesley33 · 14/02/2012 18:55

I think most people don't really understand how any changes might affect them. Its fine to say complain or the NHS will be privatised - but most people will think so what - I don't care how it is run bureaucratically. But tell them their local hospital will be closed for example and people will jump up and down about it.

keepingupwiththejoneses · 14/02/2012 18:56

It was disgusting. The republican idiot that said it was totally untrue that families where going without food needs a good slap. How the hell they think that making more cuts is going to improve the situation is beyond me. I thought or conservatives where bad but, my god the american ones are living in cloud cookoo land.

mrsjay · 14/02/2012 18:56

I dont know why people were shocked by it although some of the cases are Horrific The U S has had Hidden poverty for years and years , its shocking ,

MrsHeffley · 14/02/2012 18:58

No I think people think there is nothing they can do,that it's going to happen.

I'm healthy with plenty of healthy and a fair few wealthy friends-not one is in favour of this.We all know we're be old one day.

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MrsHeffley · 14/02/2012 18:58

we'll

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antshouse · 14/02/2012 19:01

Totally shocked me too. Especially the politician who agreed when asked, that if a homeless person found unconsious they should be left to die.

Does anyone know if prisoners in America get healthcare? Not saying they shouldn't but it would seem like double standards.

NorthernWreck · 14/02/2012 19:02

As nilgirl says, there are lots of online campaigns to get involved in regarding all the cuts to public services.
Sign them all!
here's the NHS one again

lesley33 · 14/02/2012 19:06

www.modestneeds.org/donation/tutorial/

Can I post the link above where you can help individuals in America by donating small amounts of money.

OpinionatedMum · 14/02/2012 19:14

Here is another petition to the govt, it needs 100,000 signatures for them to pay attention,it has 98,000 so far. Bump it up:

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22670

It's to drop the NHS bill btw

TwoIfBySea · 14/02/2012 19:28

If the couple living in a drain didn't break the heart then the children going hungry should have truly shamed America to the core.

And as for the politician who said the children should become janitors to earn some help... Angry

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