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to think that most on here have tried class B or A drugs at some point in their lives?

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apologies · 10/02/2012 23:59

I'm increasingly struggling with the wisdom of prohibiting drugs and this is increased by a suspicion that far more people have taken or take drugs than are ever willing to admit it. I am thus curious as to MNetters experiences.

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GeordieFatBloke · 11/02/2012 00:46

"Could you trust the taxi drivers, nurses etc to be totally straight when they're dealing with you if drugs were more widespread than they are now?"

That's not really an argument against legalisation, as the same question could be asked of alcohol ... you have to hope people have some level of responsibility for their own actions and behave accordingly.

People take drugs. Despite them being illegal, the threat of prison for selling them, and despite the best efforts of various governments, people manage to get hold of them. This is a fact. The status quo, which has been going on for decades, clearly is not working. So perhaps its time to try something else? Is that legalisation? Amongst other things it would make drugs safer, remove funding to criminal (including terrorist) organisations, and probably lower petty crime rates. On the other hand it would "legitimise" the taking of drugs ... which is a bad thing. But ... something needs to be done, because the current state of affairs is not really acceptable.

So, any ideas .... ?

FreudianSlipper · 11/02/2012 00:46

some people may take drugs to make them happier to forget their real life the same way as people drink to do this

for many it is just about having an experience, some like to experiemnt more there is nothing more to it than having a good time

rhondajean · 11/02/2012 00:47

Good question zigzag, I'll ponder it.

GrahamTribe · 11/02/2012 00:47

I've never touched illegal drugs and never would. I'm too much of a personal control freak and too scared of the risks to my life and health, having known those who've been there and lost or screwed up their lives with the stuff.

animula · 11/02/2012 00:47

I was a bit surprised about the way my dc was "educated" about drugs when he had that (compulsory) yr 6 talk in his (state) school. It really was along the lines of "Watch out for hippies - they will try and force drugs upon you." I had though (naively) that such an approach was acknowledged as vastly out of touch. But it seems to be alive and kicking.

The weekend after his "drugs education" we took him off on a hippy camping experience (it really was - a sort of temporary commune, where you dug your own loo pits). He was very reluctant to go. I thought that he was alarmed by the possible unsanitoriness of the conditions but it turned out that the "drugs talk" had filled him with the fear of God concerning hippies.

I think it turned out to be a bit of a disappointment in a way. Instead of being pinned down and forced to imbibe LSD, he was woken at 6 and made to make porridge over a fire pit.

apologies · 11/02/2012 00:48

I once asked a local police chief if he supported the legalisation of cannabis and he made the following very wise points:

In his 30 years as a police officer he had never seen someone acting aggressively because of too much weed. He'd never seen a fight, an assault or a rape because of too much weed and he'd never seen a murder because of it. In short, his thoughts were that alcohol did 10 times the damage that weed ever has or will.

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CopyAllWrite · 11/02/2012 00:48

I haven't and feel very naive to say I don't know what a "class A" drug is or what a "class B" drug is.

Iteotwawki · 11/02/2012 00:50

Those that have taken drugs, or are still taking them - would you be happy if your children took them? In front of you? Would you really be ok with your children coming home high?

I know I'd be devastated if either of my boys used drugs. Rationally I'm sure they will both try at least marijuana at some point because it's so widespread here, but I am hoping they won't. I'm also hoping neither will smoke tobacco.

Tinsie · 11/02/2012 00:50

Never taken drugs, never wanted to mess with my head, thank you muchly.

kdiddy · 11/02/2012 00:51

I think the legal / illegal definition makes it hard to have a sensible discussion sometimes (not necessarily here as people are making some good points and no hint of a bun-fight). What I mean is, often everything classed as illegal is lumped in together, so if you have taken one illegal substance you have crossed an invisible line - and the respective effects and risks of, say, MDMA are grouped with heroin, when they are wildly different in terms of harm to individual and society.

There was a very interesting documentary herebased on a scientific study done a couple of years ago which rated the 20 most harmful drugs ... suffice to say the current classification system came under fire for being outdated and not reflective of truly how harmful a drug was. The often-quoted point was made that nicotine and alcohol would probably be class A if introduced now. But in spite of the obvious health risks of both of these people still take them, and it's the same for illegal drugs too I suppose.

I wouldn't necessarily legalise drugs although I do think we need a sensible dialogue about them and to review their classification. Not least because people will take them, let's not pretend they won't and limit our approach to threats of imprisonment. Why not educate people of the risks and protect where possible - so for example allow people to test what they are about to take to check it isn't cut with all sorts of hideous toxins.

FWIW, I have tried a variety of substances in the past - and my experience of how many people have taken things is often group-dependent. I have hung around with groups of people where nobody has, and other groups where it's much more common. Overall I would think that at least half of my friends / acquaintances have at least tried something, and that's a wide variety of ages, backgrounds etc. Nobody has ever had any lasting ill-effects but I accept that is luck rather than judgment.

FreudianSlipper · 11/02/2012 00:52

i think a lot of problems we are seeing are from a mixture of drink and drugs (mainly coke) the aggression we are now seeing after pubs close in some areas are not just drink related but we just ignore this and focus on the binge drinking culture

apologies · 11/02/2012 00:53

Iteotwawki - that's what I struggle with! I know that they've done me no real harm and yet I wouldn't want to see my children using them. But I know how hipocritical that is!

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apologies · 11/02/2012 00:53

sp* hypocritical

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rhondajean · 11/02/2012 00:54

DH is currently working in the pub trade and seems to think its now illegal to cost your toilet cisterns invaseline so you can't do lines off it.

kdiddy · 11/02/2012 00:55

Iteotwawki honestly, I would rather that my son didn't smoke, drink or take any drugs. But I know he probably will do and so I would rather he did so safely, knowing the risks and how to stay as safe as possible.

I would also have less of an issue with certain drugs than others, so if he started taking anything seriously addictive or physically damaging that would be worse than something which is less long-lasting or harmful. Based on this logic actually I should be most concerned about him binge drinking probably.

apologies · 11/02/2012 00:56

Freudian - I'm really interested by that idea. Do you really think that the increase in violence is linked more to late night coke users that excess drinking? By the way I'm not disputing that, just interested in your reasons.

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FreudianSlipper · 11/02/2012 00:58

no i would not be jumping for joy if ds was taking drugs i hope he does not but i would not just tell him off i would tell him that if he is going to make that decision these are the dangers and if you are going to ignore that here is a safe way to do it to and pass on some informative literature

no i would not allow him to take drugs at home

HeadyEddie · 11/02/2012 00:58

I have never tried an illegal drug of any kind, nor cigarettes. I drank socially in my teenage/uni days (not to excess though) but am teetotal now. I sound quite boring...

Birdsgottafly · 11/02/2012 00:59

Apologies- ask your friend about skunk or how many child neglect/poverty cases there are because of weed, you should get a different answer. He is presuming it is alcohol alone.

Most of the people who are badly affected by drugs started taking them at around 14, it is the same for the kids where i live. So legalisation wouldn't help.

It was only last week that i heard the same story that i have heard again and again. Him and his mates didn't have money for weed so the dealer gave thmn smack for free. 30 years later he is coming for supervised access with his newest baby, after spending most of his life in prison.

It is the likes of him that legalisation would do nothing for, or any of the lads who get stoned to pass the time because of a lack of opportunity. I really don't give a shit who smoked weed whilst on a degree, it isn't reality of drug use for the majority.

Drug use today isn't what it was in the 80's for those on the bottom rung.

AdLibitum · 11/02/2012 01:00

Yes, have taken most of them - cannabis, Lsd, codeine, mushrooms, speed, e's, heroin, opium, prescription drugs ( not mine). Also overdid the alcohol and nicotine. Not any more though. Not sure about legalisation. Think it would be good to remove the black market and dodgy cutting with toxic stuff.

AgentZigzag · 11/02/2012 01:02

I had to have a look at that rhonda Grin on policespecials.com someone argued putting wd40 on cisterns could be assault if they did it knowing people would be snorting coke off them, but most don't agree with them.

Not sure about vaseline though.

rhondajean · 11/02/2012 01:03

Em maybe it was WD 40 I was possibly on MN when he told me...

FreudianSlipper · 11/02/2012 01:03

yes i do think it is, when it is shown on tv the police are not just dealing with people who have drink too much many look drugged up. coke makes many aggressive and for some they need to drink even more. when i go out now to a pub i am shocked at how openly coke use is and by how many maybe i am just good at spotting those who have taken it :)

Sixer · 11/02/2012 01:03

problem I think, is drugs arn't what we remember them to be. In the last 5/10yrs even weed is cut within an inch of it's arse. It's mostly synthetic and man made crap.

AdLibitum · 11/02/2012 01:04

Removing the supply will never work if there is a market for it. Some people use recreationally/ experimentally, others are addicts - trouble is, there is only one way to find out which group you are in, and then if you do have an addictive personality, you can't or don't want to stop