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....to not know what to do about my father's will

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Upnorthnow · 27/01/2012 11:57

My father lived overseas for most of his life and sadly passed away recently. Rather than being able to focus on our grief, my brother and I have been plunged into a horribly tricky situation because he died intestate, leaving behind a sizable inheritance. My father and mother divorced 20 years ago and since then he has had an on/off girlfriend who is much younger than him. They split up in 2006 but remained friends. However, last year when dad was diagnosed with cancer she came back to help look after him while he recovered (as my brother and i live on the other side of the world, and as we both have young families, we couldn't do it ourselves and my father refused to move back to england). During this time, his girlfriend left again twice saying that it was too difficult for her and he was being stingy with his money (as he never had joint finances with her - he was very protective over his money). He was taken ill again, just after we received another message from her to tell us she had moved out again, so my brother and i dropped everything to fly over and be with him in his final week of life (as was she). Now that he is gone, we have found out he died without a will and that all his money will pass down to my brother and I. He also had a pension which will go to his girlfriend as he made her his beneficiary a couple of years after they first got together (when he retired). Sorry - very long winded story. The dilemna is, my brother and i don't know whether or not we should be volontarily sharing the inheritance with his girlfriend...keeping the money would be life changing for both my brother and I (and our families) but we are racked with guilt that we have received this money because dad didn't have a will and wondering ifnhe would want it to go to her.....while we were overseas organising the funeral, a lot of pressure was put on us by both her and their mutual friends to "do the right thing" and "make sure we don't fall victim to charma" etc. She told her that he had told hernhe wanted her to have all his money as well as the pension, but he kept putting off writing a will. We really don't know what to do - the pension is worth almost the same as the whole estate so its not like she has been left with nothing. In addition, theynhave no joint assets - she rentednout her apartment and lived with him in his and he paid all the bills. I have no idea what my dad would have wanted as i am completely confused at to the nature of their relationship.....she is only recently back in his life and my father claimed that they were just "good friends" (though at his age and with his poor health, i think that he was maybe beyond anything more than companionship). I am in no doubt she cared about him as she was very upset when he died, AND she did drop everything to look after him after he got sick which my brother and i are really grateful for.....but at the same time i am not sure whether or not i feel she is entitled not to ever have to work again.....to complicate matters, my mother is still very bitter about the divorce with my father as she came out of it very poorly financially (she basically lives on nothing and still has to work long hours beyond retirement age as she was too late to start a pension or get a decent job when he left her - she spent 20 years raising my brother and i and following him around the world. If she ever found out we had handed over money to dad's girlfriend she would feel very betrayed... What does everyone think?

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OTheHugeManatee · 27/01/2012 12:50

She gets his pension. But agree with the others that if he'd wanted the girlfriend to inherit his estate he'd have said so in his will. Leave things as they are.

Sposh · 27/01/2012 12:50

UpNorth, honestly, I think she's got more than a fair share if the pension is worth as much as half the estate. Presumably as she lives abroad you won't need to have anything more to do with her (or her lovely friends) once you've returned home so don't give it a second thought.

I'm sorry for your loss. When my Dad died he left me enough to buy a house. I'd rather have had my dad, of course, but as that wasn't possible I was very pleased to have a house instead. By all means help your mum out if you want to.

fairimum · 27/01/2012 12:52

again the pension is enough and what he signed for her to have - she shouldnt get anything more than that!

ChickensGoMeh · 27/01/2012 12:52

He was your Dad. He left the gf his pension. I reckon he wanted you and your brother to inherit his money (don't we all want that for our children?). Keep it. And don't worry about his 'friends', you'll never have to see them again.

diddl · 27/01/2012 12:52

OK, I think that the gfriend has enough.

People talking about karma-do you think that they think you should do something for your Mum?

Maryz · 27/01/2012 12:53

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bitclueless · 27/01/2012 12:56

I didn't mean that op shld help her mum because her mum deserves her ex- hs money, but because old age can be very expensive and op should factor that in....
Btw I have myself just received a large inheritance that I in no way feel I 'deserve'', so I understand you are finding that hard to deal with. My advice would be to just put that all to one side, do what you have to do to deal with it legally, and just wait until you are less upset before you make any decisions at all. Another reason I think your dads gf is out of order- putting pressure on you when you are vulnerable. She has been provided for!

Upnorthnow · 27/01/2012 12:56

My brother and i have already agreed we would help mum out, as she does struggle.....thank you all for all your kind comments and words of wisdom. I feel a lot better to see such a unnanimous agreement onnwhat is right. I will sleep better tonight! Thank goodness for mumsnet!

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BelleEnd · 27/01/2012 12:56

Oh. I'm so sorry about your father! It must be really hard to deal with this on top of your grief.

Your father was ill. If he wanted her to have more than the pension, he would have made the necessary arrangements when he was unwell. The fact that she's putting pressure on you makes it sound as if she's not really that kind. :(

ENormaSnob · 27/01/2012 12:58

Agree with everyone else.

Keep the money.

Her behaviour at the funeral would have ensured that tbh.

Dozer · 27/01/2012 13:07

Don't think about those horrible comments. There is no decision to take re the girlfriend, your father took the decisions. Avoid debate.

MNetters are v rarely united on AIBU. We are all right, those nasty people are wrong!

Also agree with those who think gf is a gold-digger.

eurochick · 27/01/2012 13:08

Your father made his decision - he left the pension to the girl friend and you have to assume he knew the restwould go to his children.

I don't have a will because I am happy that my estate would pass to my husband. I have made some provision in my death in service benefit for other relatives, should anything happen to me.

I am very sorry for your loss.

catsmother · 27/01/2012 13:16

Agree with everyone else for all the reasons already stated, but just wanted to add that you and your brother sound like really nice decent people to have even thought of giving more money to the girlfriend at this time .... when you consider she was on/off, and, that your dad's wishes already take her into consideration. As for worrying about "karma", the fact you've both stopped to think rather than take a "sod her" attitude immediately should, I think, pretty much ensure your good karma remains intact.

RunsWithScissors · 27/01/2012 13:29

Yy to what everyone else has said.

Girlfriend has been thought of with the pension. I think its telling that your father never set up joint finances with this woman.

Help our your mum... She raised you, put up with the moves and is struggling. Worried about karma? You helping her will be just that, payback for all she has done.

Can I also say, good on you and your brother. Instead of arguing over what you deserve, you are both worrying about others.

This kind of angst is the exact reason everyone should have a will.

TheCuntwormUnderfoot · 27/01/2012 13:36

Good God no.

If your Dad was financially aware enough to sort out his pension for her to benefit etc., then if he wanted her to inherit he would have made a will to that effect.

In fact I think the opposite to what you think may be true!

  • He took care to keep finances separate.
  • They had actually split up anyway.
  • Odd that ANYONE financially aware would die intestate, does this hint at him wanting to see you and your brother inherit without actually having to to anything to make it so?
  • Pressure from her side when he had only just died, asking/nosing/guilting about money etc.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if she was a bit of a gold digger either, and that your Dad was rather circumspect in making sure she couldn't get her hands on anything in addition to the pension.

Help out your mum. This woman has benefited already.

suburbophobe · 28/01/2012 10:13

Don't let the friends guilt trip you! "Charma" indeed.....!
What "friends" were they if they don't agree with his wishes?

The fact that your dad did not make a will and therefore leaving the money to you and your brother is his message that he wanted you to have it.

tabulahrasa · 28/01/2012 10:23

I don't have a will - because I know it goes to my DC and that's what I want, if I wanted anyone else to have a part of my admittedly meager estate, I would make a will saying so.

If he had time to make sure he got the pension he could have made her a beneficiary of a will if he wanted to, he didn't

squeakytoy · 28/01/2012 10:29

I don't have a will - because I know it goes to my DC and that's what I want

That is just plain daft really.. if you know who you want things to go to, make a will then there is a lot less stress involved for those who have to deal with your estate.

HappyHoppyHippy · 28/01/2012 10:33

^^
What they all said.

Sorry for your loss. Your father was clearly of sound enough mind to provide for this woman with his pension. He obviously wanted you and your brother to inherit his estate. The guilt is maybe not about the money but about the fact you found it hard to go over when he was ill? You feel a misguided sense of entitlement that this women thinks you owe her. You do not. Your father has provided for her. Take time and deal with your grief. Keep your inheritance for your family, as your dad obviously intended Smile

FutureNannyOgg · 28/01/2012 10:35

Did she look after him because she loved him, or because she wanted his money? If it was the former, she wouldn't care about the inheritance, not enough to deprive his family, if the latter, then the best karmic result would be that she gets nothing.

squeakytoy · 28/01/2012 10:38

I suspect the father didnt make a will because he didnt want the gf to have it, but also knew that once she realised she wasnt getting any of it, she would have been less keen on caring for him during his ill health.

She is getting the pension, and that sounds quite generous on it's own. I would also suspect "his" friends who are trying to put emotional pressure on, are also "her" friends with an ulterior motive which is for her gain, and nothing to do with karma of any kind.

Lambzig · 28/01/2012 11:08

so sorry for your loss. Its such a stressful time, having to travel away from your family (presumably) and make difficult arrangements in a country you arent too familiar with.

I can only agree with other people that if the sum of money is 'life changing' and she has a pension pot equivalent to that money already, then she has more than enough. I also agree that your father didnt make a will so that it would come to you. I am somewhat thrown by the nerve of these "friends" to comment on what is essentially a family matter.

You have one of the very few completely unanimous AIBU that I have ever seen. You and your DB sound like lovely people and I dont think you have to worry about your Karma at all.

MaryThornbar · 28/01/2012 11:25

Agree with everyone else. Also wanted to add, these 'friends' possibly don't know that GF will benefit from his pension.

I wouldn't give it another thought.

pranma · 28/01/2012 11:25

She has the pension-you and your DB are his chidren-shewas an off/on girlfriend who sounds rather grasping to me. Of course you should keep the money and share with your mum. Karma doesn't come into it-make a donation to a charity before you give her a penny. How dare she!!

travailtotravel · 28/01/2012 11:35

Late to the party but adding my support. I am guessing your dad was a savvy man, OP - he has made his wishes known. Take what is yours, help your mum and take some time out to get over your loss.