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to send my child to bed hungry?

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ladyfirenze · 24/01/2012 20:39

dts 7 was offered snacks after school of raisins, apple and carrots with a glass of milk. He ate some raisins and turned down everything else. At five thirty he was served a roast dinner consisting of chicken, roast carrots and sweet potatoes, steamed mange tout and gravy. He sloped off for a poo during dinner and left his carrots and potatoes. I didn't push him to finish them, but I did say I thought he should. He's just got out of bed to tell me his tummy is rumbling and he's hungry. I've said he can have a drink of water and have sent him back to bed...... That's right isn't it.....

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whethergirl · 25/01/2012 00:08

I agree with DamnBamboo.

My DS is 6, always bloody hungry, thin as a beanpole, and goes swimming, karate and football every week. His after school snack can not just consist of fruit/veg, he is way too hungry for that.

So flame me, we eat at 6.30pm the earliest AND he is always hungry at bedtime. If, for some reason (tiredness, pissing about etc) he hasn't finished his dinner, then his bedtime snack will be his dinner. Otherwise, toast or bananna.

I come from a Mediterranean background and food is very much a nurturing, easy going and encouraged activity. People get hungry at different times on different days, so don't you can say 'well he ate at 5.30pm so he can't be hungry" Why bloody not?

And the next bit is extreme so avert your eyes for those of you who can't believe what an obese and undisciplined child I am raising. The other night, at about 11pm I was tucking into a raspberry cheesecake (a rare occurrence I might add) when ds awoke and saw me in cheesecake ecstasy. Did I say "Oi DS, I'm off duty, back to bed."

No I did not. Instead, he came over, sat on my lap, and we both giggled in naughty delight as we finished off the cheesecake together. Then he went back to bed and fell straight asleep.

Kaekae · 25/01/2012 00:20

I couldn't do it. For me I can grab a drink and food anytime I suddenly feel the urge even if I haven't eaten all my dinner! [hmmm] I would give him something. Whethergirl totally agree with you.

squeakytoy · 25/01/2012 00:21

Loads of times people over eat thinking they are hungry, and all they need is a drink of water. I said words to this effect. and sent him of for a drink

But he HADNT overeaten Confused.. you know he hadnt, because he didnt eat much of his dinner...

I suggest it is you that has issues with food actually. :(

babybythesea · 25/01/2012 00:24

Yes baby he was at home when he asked for a snack, not at school.

Presumably he didn't eat at school and was hungry later; hungry when he was at home (after he missed his low-kcal dinner because he needed a poo and then just didn't fancy it) so could reasonably expect to have some food given.

I know he was at home later - I didn't really mean that not eating at lunch would affect his bedtime snacks per se - more that it could be an indication of they way he's thinking (I can't be arsed to eat when it's my lunchbreak/when my dinner's ready - not because I'm not hungry but because there's other things I'd rather be doing). I'd be storing it away in the back of my head thinking 'Hmmm, so we've started to decide that eating is much less fun than playing and now we're hungry all afternoon are we? Let's see how that goes but that might need to be addressed at some stage'.
He ate most of his snack when he got home though, so missing lunch was unlikely to have affected his hunger at bedtime, and any residual hunger would have been sorted out with eating a decent dinner which he clearly decided not to do.
So I come back to the fact that I'd be saying to myself - why didn't he eat at dinner? Genuine apetite mis-match with the time he was having dinner, or pushing his luck because he's in the mood for it?

I just wouldn't want to end up in a situation where I made dinner every night and he refused it, because he fancied toast and jam later on more! One incident is not going to lay down a precendent which will be forever followed, or make rods for backsor anything, but I would sure as hell be noting it down for comparisons against further behaviour! And if this is already developing into that 'further behaviour' I'd be starting to put my foot very firmly down! I'm not about to spend time cooking (which I bloody hate at the best of times) only for a cheeky monkey to choose what he will and won't eat!!! If it really is a one off, I'd be bringing in the big guns already, and offering a packet or two of all those slightly stale hot cross buns I foolishly bought today (there is always a reason why those things are on offer!)

babybythesea · 25/01/2012 00:25

Crap - that didn't work - in my last post the first few lines were an attempt to quote Damn who was referring back to something I'd said in an earlier post - I need to go to bed.....

ProcessYellowC · 25/01/2012 00:47

Interesting thread - surprised no-one's mentioned offering the uneaten portion of dinner back to kids - or is that just me Blush

DS is only 3 and every so often won't eat much at dinnertime, the reason then becomes apparent to us when after much tense prancing around before bed, he finally has a poo. When that happens I've now got into the drill of waiting another 10 mins or then offering a snack of oatcakes/cereal or his uneaten dinner if DH or I haven't scarfed it Blush again (reheated if necessary).

This thread is giving me parental guilt about the very earliest we eat dinner being 6.30, as that is when I can get home from work (thankfully DH on the case with dinner). Although I suppose I can be relieved that DS's body clock is fine with a 7.30/8 bedtime, as I would miss him so much if we didn't have dinner together.

brdgrl · 25/01/2012 01:17

surprised no-one's mentioned offering the uneaten portion of dinner back to kids - or is that just me
no, that seemed the obvious move to me, too!

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/01/2012 02:56

IMO giving your hungry child a slice of bread/toast does not make you a 'soft touch', can never get my head round how some people are about food

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/01/2012 02:58

Whethergirl I love your healthy relaxed attitude to food :)

Fishpond · 25/01/2012 04:16

Obviously your son will not starve for one night. However, his entire day's worth of food really didn't add up to much and especially if he said he heard a rumble then I expect it was hunger pangs rather than "digestion" Hmm that he felt / heard. I agree that he obviously had not overeaten and think it was very odd of you to suggest that he had done so and simply needed water.

However, each child is different and each parent is different. Obviously your son has now learned that if he wakes during the night he will not receive anything so you have probably reinforced what you wanted to and he will make more of an effort to finish dinner.

FWIW, I agree with the hard line approach presuming he had been offered plenty of carbs throughout the day and had purposely sniffed at a plate of satisfying food. If my own son had consumed what you described for his day's calories and did not usually wake to ask for a snack (I highly expect this is the case as otherwise why have you not mentioned any previous incidents of this) then I'd give my child a snack, albeit boring. It would be a carb, given he hadn't had much throughout the day. It would be quick and minimum of fuss / conversation so as to discourage waking for extra company (again presuming he'd had lots of cuddles and conversation during the day).

Everything in moderation, including bedtime snacks. For me anyway, obviously not for your household OP. Which is perfectly fine, as I said, no one will starve in this situation. Each to their own.

SlinkingOutsideInFrocks · 25/01/2012 05:11

I am surprised at the number of people who eat supper, and who give supper to their DC.

Do people really need more food after dinner?

nooka · 25/01/2012 06:40

Depends on the kid really doesn't it? My ds has always eaten a lot, he is very active and very very thin. Would quite happily eat a large meal and then say he was hungry an hour or so later. Unless I had a meal planned within the next hour I'd give him something to eat. It wouldn't be anything very exciting and it might well not be what he had in mind, as I'd use that to judge whether he was hungry or bored (ie you can have a bit of bread). I don't think it is very kind to not feed someone who is genuinely hungry. On the other hand dd used to be very fussy, turn her nose up at mealtime and then want nice things later and I was much much less sympathetic to that. However if it was a long time later I'd still give her something.

But then I quite often can't sleep or wake up from sleep feeling hungry, and have a bit of bread and some milk. I would be hugely hypocritical if I didn't allow my children to do the same when they are also hungry because it's a horrible feeling lying in bed not being able to sleep with an achy tum.

seeker · 25/01/2012 07:14

Isn't it just a kind thing to do to give someone who can't sleep and says they qr hungry something to eat?

Kindness is a much under rated virtue.

I am saddened thwt so many people seem to think that their children are somehow ticking time bombs of unrulyness- one slight relaxation of the rules or breaking of the routine and all is lost.

everlong · 25/01/2012 07:32

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HappyHoppyHippy · 25/01/2012 08:32

When did fruit and veg not constitute real food? "stodgy" food is hardly usually healthy. There are other ways to fill kids up....non sugary saturated fat ways. Op has it right IMO. Off now byeeeee

seeker · 25/01/2012 08:58

Brown bread and marmite is "stodge" in this context. Or a home made sugar free flapjack. Or a bowl of whole grain cereal.

Nobody's saying give them. Jam root poly and custard as a mid afternoon snack! Although both of mine would kill for that!

Stop making food such an emotional issue. If they are hungry give them food. If they aren't don't. And the message of "Eat it now even though you're not hungry because you might be hungry later and if you are you won't be allowed any food" is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start!

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/01/2012 09:11

if you are really hungry does carrot and an apple hit the spot?

babybythesea · 25/01/2012 09:28

Seeker - And the message of "Eat it now even though you're not hungry because you might be hungry later and if you are you won't be allowed any food" is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start!

I'm going to make this my last post on this because I really need to go and do something useful - but I agree.
My concern would be that his not eating wasn't actually appetite related, but because he was thinking that something more interesting was going on and couldn't be bothered to eat. I'm basing this partly on the fact that OP said he didn't eat much lunch at school because he would rather go and play footie. I'm all for kids being active but they also need to learn that they need to eat properly in their lunch break before rushing off to play, or there won't be another chance until they get home. So I'd be wondering, in the back of my head, whether he wasn't just being a bit of a horror. You'd need to know loads more about the child, his usual behaviour, his behaviour that day etc etc. You generally know whether your child is trying to pull a fast one or not!
I'm not advocating either giving in and feeding him, or starving him - I'd do either of them depending on the details of the circumstances and the child. In fact, I do both things - if dd has eaten well and still says she's hungry then I throw all the snacks she wants in her direction. If she's been a monster that day and has decided not to eat dinner, and then demands a snack, she doesn't get it. I'm not spending ages cooking dinner for her so that she can pass over it in favour of ice cream.

I don't think food should be made an emotional issue either, but I don't plan on letting my dd decide exactly what and when she should eat every time- we need to eat breakfast at the start of the day and that breakfast cannot consist of ice cream, whatever she says! She's only 3 so we're still learning this, but the principle is the same. You do need to have an approximate meal time so to a certain extent you have to eat when food is available - I don't plan on cooking three separate dinners because people are hungry at different times, nor do I want to be cooking at 10.30 at night because someone has decided they are hungry then. But yes, if a child doesn't eat much because they genuinely aren't hungry, then you need to make up for it a bit later.

I do find an apple is a great snack - often have them! And no prep - just grab one from the bowl! And clearly the fruit snack worked ok to keep him going as he wasn't starving at dinner time or he'd have cleaned his plate. 'Stodge',for this child, might over-fill him to the point that he regularly then didn't want dinner, and then did want a snack. Point is, you don't know the details of how this child works. This sounds like a one-off precisely because the OP was worried about it - and trying to make the right decision for one evening is hardly making food an emotional issue, setting the child up for eating issues later. If this is a one-off, then it sounds as though usually the child is fine and eats well and the routine works well for him - if you are confronted with your child doing something they don't normally do, you do wonder if you've reacted well, don't you? And play through all the things you maybe should have done instead? However minor - I think that's part of being a Mum, questioning yourself every time a new circumstance arises.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/01/2012 09:34

LIfe is too short to overthink something like our child wanting some supper IMO.

lashingsofbingeinghere · 25/01/2012 09:38

OP, it probably hardly matters this time what you do - whether you give DS something or not.

It's if it becomes a pattern that you need to rethink your/his routine a bit.

Don't sweat the small stuff etc (grin).

FWIW I would probably have offered a dull snack (milk, toast) and packed him back to bed with as little fuss as possible.

lashingsofbingeinghere · 25/01/2012 09:39

x post with Fanjo

everlong · 25/01/2012 09:53

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FruitSaladIsNotPudding · 25/01/2012 11:21

YADNBU op. I am surprised at all the people who say they and their children eat in the evening.

I will admit there are occasions when I have has a snack in the evenings, but it's pure greed and something that happens only very occasionally. Going to bed on a full stomach is not good. And there is nothing wrong with going 14 hours or so without food, overnight. Your body shuts down digesting, or should do.

cutegorilla · 25/01/2012 11:40

I am genuinely shocked at the amount of people who think supper after dinner is an essential! I never had it growing up, nor did DH and hence it has never occurred to either of us that our children should either. They seem to cope just fine. 4 yr old DS might have some snacks after dinner if he's hungry and he's eaten his dinner. He sometimes has a hungry day. If he doesn't eat dinner I often leave it on the table and send him back to it if he asks for food later.

While I do agree to an extent with the eat when you're hungry philosophy it strikes me as incredibly wasteful to throw away a good dinner because he decides he doesn't feel like it then, only to have to provide other food later. There's no way I'm going to cook each of my three children dinner when they ask for it at different times so they just have to get on and eat when it's available. DD, who is 8, would forget to ask for food at all. DS, 4, would ask for it and then decide he didn't want it anyway, then ask for something else after it had been thrown away.

The children aren't wasting away despite my cruelly denying them supper and they only get an apple and a humzinger after school, and they eat at 5/5.30pm. One has to wonder how they manage to survive at all!

TeacupTempest · 25/01/2012 11:41

Why are some people so surprised that others have a snack during the evening. It appears that they equate snacking with greed. Perhaps people who snack just have a smaller portion of food at meal times, or are very active in the evening or have eaten less then you during the day?

Having an evening snack does not mean you are greedy, lazy, overeating or wrong.