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To direct my rage at this woman ?

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AllEmmasAreEvil · 20/01/2012 13:01

I'm a new poster on here but have been a long time lurker! Hello!
I had separated from my husband in 2010 although we were still seeing each other attending relate and I hoped that our time apart would allow us some space to work things out. I became pregnant when we had been separated for 3 months and although terrified but wanted to keep the baby. The children issue was something myself and my husband had disagreed on for years before, I had a few miscarriages and gave up hope really, I was also due to my childhood experiences very concerned about motherhood.
When I was 8 weeks pregnant and becoming hopeful that the pregnancy would continue he dropped the bombshell that he was seeing someone else and planned to continue to do so . He met her 3 days before I told him I was pregnant and had been very off with me since then which when questioned he put down to being worried that something would go wrong with the pregnancy and he couldn't get too involved . I am not proud of my behaviour during the next few months but I ended up begging and pleading with him to try again with me . Having a family with a mum and dad together for my little one was really important to me as I suppose I was trying to prove that I wouldn't be making the same mistakes as my mother did . He was still at this time telling me he still loved me and was just confused and " doing a business deal" with this woman.
I ended up moving back in with him when I was 22 weeks pregnant which was a disaster TBH.
Now a year later lots has come out. He told the other woman a week before I moved back in that I was pregnant. He said he had not told her this before as he thought I would have a termination and was just leading him on. He also said that we were just living together so he could "support me" and that they could maybe get bank together in the future. He did break contact with her for 6 weeks but she kept trying to be in contact with him. I found a text from her around that time saying she wished she was with him so he could give her a big cuddle . He says they were in constant contact the whole time I was pregnant apart from those 6 weeks and this continued until 8 weeks after our little one was born when he left me with a screaming colicky baby although he has been living on his own
Now of course I am not absolving the arse of his part in this and cannot believe anyone can possibly behave like this ( btw he is now realising the grass is not greener on the other side and is bleating that he has totally fucked up and still is in love with me..shame NOT)
I am however also filled with rage at this woman, I have no doubt he has spun her serious amounts of bollocks , but she really is old enough ( much older than the husband) and has children of her own to know better ?
After being pregnant and having a newborn no way would I think that it's perfectly fine to be having a relationship with the father to be. I would also realise that undoubtedly the mother to be and new mother needs support and help. If she had just backed off for a year then they had got back together and rode off into the sunset I guess I wouldn't have been so bothered but she didn't and I cannot believe that she honestly thought I did not care about what was going on! She is also now demanding she gets to see my child and her children are asking when they can see him and have him over to there house!!! Husband has only had access with me present until recently as I was breastfeeding , she apparently refuses to believe that my LO won't take a bottle ( he wouldnt until last week!)
I know I need to be very careful about deflecting the blame away from idiots behaviour. But as far as I am concerned I feel she has also behaved disgustingly, am also slightly concerned as to the mental state of anyone who after a 4 month relationship wouldn't run a mile from
The very messy situation that is a pregnant ex from a recently separated relationship .
AIBU to think this woman is lower than a snakes belly and have my skin crawl at the thougt of her around my baby that she hasn't appeared to give a flying feck about as long as she is "happy"

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TheGrandOldDuke · 20/01/2012 13:03

I'm afraid I think your partner is really the offending party. He was the one with the control to end it with her or not.

scuzy · 20/01/2012 13:08

why do the woman always blame the other woman in situations like this. you ex or whatever he is now was playing you both.

gordyslovesheep · 20/01/2012 13:08

Oh I know that feeling - I feel the same about ex's GF - a mother of two who slept with a married man with 3 kids inlcuding a baby ... BUT BUT BUT it was HIM who cheated and I can imagine the lines he fed her (my wife trapped my with baby 3 - who was planned, we don;t have sex, she is horrible and fat blah blah blah) yes she should have known better and yes I dislike her but it wasn't her who broke her vows

squeakytoy · 20/01/2012 13:08

She is also now demanding she gets to see my child and her children are asking when they can see him and have him over to there house!!!

Tell her to go fuck right off.

Craparinha · 20/01/2012 13:09

Sorry, but I think all the responsibility lies with your partner. He sounds like an immature prick. You fellfor him, she fell for hm. Se is no worse than you in this situatin, really. You both fell n love with a tosser

Dnt get back together with this arse. He will only leave you agan when someone else turns his head

Hairynigel · 20/01/2012 13:09

I would be more upset about his behaviour than hers. He's shown you no respect at all.

myncichips · 20/01/2012 13:12

This is between you and your ex so you really don't need to be giving any thought to her wanting your baby round her house. I'd feel like you whether that's reasonable or not.

Just make sure you have a good support network around you and do what you think is right for baby - not people pleasing 101 others as that way lies madness.

FourEyesGood · 20/01/2012 13:13

It might make you feel a bit better to direct your rage at the woman, but I think you probably know that it's your ex-P who's really the baddie here. I agree that the woman was behaving poorly, but without your ex-P's actions, she wouldn't have had the opportunity to do so.

Memoo · 20/01/2012 13:13

Yabu to blame the other woman. Your ex is the arse rage at him if you must. The other woman has no responsibilty to you.

You need to get shut of him for good and maybe consider councilling.

wastedwaist · 20/01/2012 13:13

well, you said yourself that you don't know what he has told her. He could have been spinning her a load of old bollocks about an ex who trapped him and is mental. He certainly seems capable of lying to both of you.

As far as your relationship with him is concerned, he is an arse and should be shown the door. Why would you allow yourself to continously ill-treated by this man? he is responsible for his actions towards you, not her. Yes, her actions may seem questionable to you, but he is the one who has allowed the situation to continue. you and your baby deserve more and you should concentrate on that.

I would not be going to relate with this person.

smoggii · 20/01/2012 13:14

Your ex partner was the one who was responsible for your relationship, this woman is not tied to you and did not have a responsibility towards you.

He's a shit. She's selfish but i don't think i've ever met anyone who isn't selfish.

You don't know what he said to her to keep her onside.

She might be a really low person but she also might not and might just have fallen in love with the wrong person, it happens.

blondie80 · 20/01/2012 13:15

Why is he still with her if he realises he loves you??

How do you know she is demanding to see your child? and if she is Confused

I'm glad you realise now that it's not perfectly fine to have a relationship with a father to be.

yabu to only direct your rage at this woman though, direct some at your ex also please.

ohdearwhatdoidonow · 20/01/2012 13:19

I'm constantly surprised on here how many people write off the responsibility of the OW. I hold your OH responsible, but/and if she knew he was in a relationship, and chose to continue, she holds some responsibility as well!! I know so many people who have been the OW, and have NEVER been taken to task.

My best friend's OH cheated on her with her friend, fathered a child, kept it quiet, and even after it all came out, and they went to relate and tried to make a go of things, the OW was constantly sending him porn pics of herself.

After my Best friend had a breakdown, I bumped into the OW, and I told her exactly what I though of her, I also told the people she was with that none of their husband's were safe around her.

I enjoyed doing it, I still think it was the right thing, and I would do it a million times over!

ohdearwhatdoidonow · 20/01/2012 13:19

And I do believe women have a responsibility to each other, we are all interdependent.

AllEmmasAreEvil · 20/01/2012 13:20

I am in no way absolving my hopefully soon to be ex husband . No way is he coming back in a million years!!
Just to make that clear . I also totally blame him , he is a selfish prick ! Though he did tell me this morning he thinks he might be having a mid life crisis ha!
Oh he still comes round to see his child and moans at how much he misses me and he is now willing to tell me the truth apparently
Gosh I am a lucky woman

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Fillybuster · 20/01/2012 13:22

At the risk of being flamed shouted down by all concerned, and as much as you have my sympathy (I'm sure its been pretty tough for you, OP), your post reads like a long litany of blame....I think you need to take some responsibility for your situation yourself, OP.

You weren't in a stable, happy relationship when you became pg. Even if you were investigating a possible future together, neither of you had committed to this, you weren't living together and it was wasn't unreasonable of your dp to date elsewhere.

You chose to get together, and remain with, someone who is clearly an arse.

You tried to convince him to stay with you 'for the sake of the baby'....sounds like emotional blackmail to me, since you weren't ttc together...

Anyway, of course this woman doesn't have rights to your child, but (maybe, just maybe) you should be a little bit relieved that your ex-dps new partner is interested in, and welcoming to, your child, and wants to make them welcome? IMO she's definitely not the one who has done anything wrong....

Just a thought....

Memoo · 20/01/2012 13:23

Can I ask you a genuine question? You are clearly and understandably devestated that your marriage broke up. You say you got pregnant 3 months are you split up. Did you get pregnant to try and get him to come back?

Btw I'm not trying to be horrid, just trying to get a proper understanding of the situation.

MorrisZapp · 20/01/2012 13:31

Yabu

It's ludicrous to blame women for 'falling for' men's bullshit. Blame the bullshitter.

Sounds like you've fallen for it too, you and OW are in the same boat as far as I can see.

How do you know she's demanding to see your child?

heyannie · 20/01/2012 13:31

I don't think she has done anything wrong (apart from apparently demand to see your child). By the sounds of it, as far as she was concerned (as far as I understand), your husband was a free agent. A lot of baggage, yes, but not technically attached to anyone. It seems that he is to blame for not being clear to you or her, so I don't see why you are so angry at her. It sounds like he thought your relationship was dead in the water when you were seeing Relate, whereas you thought that it was a blip and there was a light at the end of the tunnel. When he found you were pregnant he felt duty bound to make another go of it for the baby's sake, which let's face it is never a great foundation for a marriage. Should a father-to-be not be allowed to have a relationship even if his relationship with the mother is a complete gonner?

BuenTiempo · 20/01/2012 13:32

nowt to do with her

you and him are the wallies

AllEmmasAreEvil · 20/01/2012 13:40

At the risk of being shot down here in an orgy of flame age ..Blush. We planned the baby together . I didn't trap him , he was quite happy at the time . A lot of our marriage problems were my fault due to stuff in my past and I take full responsibility for all that. I guess I realised with some time apart I did want a family and to work on our marriage . I was the one who left btw not him. He attended the appointment I had with the hospital before we tried to conceive due to my past history.
He then met other woman and that was that however I was already pregnant by then .
Not the best decision I have ever made TTC whilst seperated and I fully appreciate that. I have been having counselling for the last 4 months too which has brought an awful lot of my past stuff up but also makes it easier to look to the future. Yes I have made utterly crap choices however I have a home, a job I love and a beautiful child whom I adore and wouldn't be without.
Thanks for the replies btw its much appreciated to get an outside perspective on things

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Proudnscary · 20/01/2012 13:41

Sounds like you have all behaved like a bunch of immature fools.

Is this other woman called Emma by any chance?

aldiwhore · 20/01/2012 13:42

It sounds like a whole massive mess with some responsibility (or lack of it) on each side.

Where you go from here is the important thing.

Rage is normal, and rage without a clear direction festers, unless you deal with it, not sure how you deal with it, we all do things differently, I tend to talk about it until I'm so bored the rage is replaced by total disinterest. I'm not sure your total rage should be directed at this woman, or your messed up ex, or even yourself.

Your ex may be messed up, maybe genuinely feeling shitty (rightly so) after all, he and you made a baby whilst you were not together, when things were uncertain, and it takes two to make a baby.

You're all human beings, and therefore prone to major fuck ups without being 'evil', I think now you need to focus on the future, the future which includes putting why you're in this situation to bed, and building some form of workable relationship with your ex (which would include him not badgering you, giving you puppy eyes, or dredging up his regret every time) and if he's with this other woman, trying to foster a polite agreement whereby your child is able to see both parents. She's not a demon.

You deserve respect and probably apologies, respect you can get, the best apology comes from actions. Tell you ex what you expect, be prepared to compromise and I hope you can find a workable future where rage is a thing of the past.

LunarRose · 20/01/2012 13:45

you got pregnant after you had split and now blame the OW for everything???

AllEmmasAreEvil · 20/01/2012 13:48

Nope she isn't Emma ! My dog is though
and I remember something from radio 1 years ago hence when she chews my shoes she is know as evil Emma Grin

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