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To direct my rage at this woman ?

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AllEmmasAreEvil · 20/01/2012 13:01

I'm a new poster on here but have been a long time lurker! Hello!
I had separated from my husband in 2010 although we were still seeing each other attending relate and I hoped that our time apart would allow us some space to work things out. I became pregnant when we had been separated for 3 months and although terrified but wanted to keep the baby. The children issue was something myself and my husband had disagreed on for years before, I had a few miscarriages and gave up hope really, I was also due to my childhood experiences very concerned about motherhood.
When I was 8 weeks pregnant and becoming hopeful that the pregnancy would continue he dropped the bombshell that he was seeing someone else and planned to continue to do so . He met her 3 days before I told him I was pregnant and had been very off with me since then which when questioned he put down to being worried that something would go wrong with the pregnancy and he couldn't get too involved . I am not proud of my behaviour during the next few months but I ended up begging and pleading with him to try again with me . Having a family with a mum and dad together for my little one was really important to me as I suppose I was trying to prove that I wouldn't be making the same mistakes as my mother did . He was still at this time telling me he still loved me and was just confused and " doing a business deal" with this woman.
I ended up moving back in with him when I was 22 weeks pregnant which was a disaster TBH.
Now a year later lots has come out. He told the other woman a week before I moved back in that I was pregnant. He said he had not told her this before as he thought I would have a termination and was just leading him on. He also said that we were just living together so he could "support me" and that they could maybe get bank together in the future. He did break contact with her for 6 weeks but she kept trying to be in contact with him. I found a text from her around that time saying she wished she was with him so he could give her a big cuddle . He says they were in constant contact the whole time I was pregnant apart from those 6 weeks and this continued until 8 weeks after our little one was born when he left me with a screaming colicky baby although he has been living on his own
Now of course I am not absolving the arse of his part in this and cannot believe anyone can possibly behave like this ( btw he is now realising the grass is not greener on the other side and is bleating that he has totally fucked up and still is in love with me..shame NOT)
I am however also filled with rage at this woman, I have no doubt he has spun her serious amounts of bollocks , but she really is old enough ( much older than the husband) and has children of her own to know better ?
After being pregnant and having a newborn no way would I think that it's perfectly fine to be having a relationship with the father to be. I would also realise that undoubtedly the mother to be and new mother needs support and help. If she had just backed off for a year then they had got back together and rode off into the sunset I guess I wouldn't have been so bothered but she didn't and I cannot believe that she honestly thought I did not care about what was going on! She is also now demanding she gets to see my child and her children are asking when they can see him and have him over to there house!!! Husband has only had access with me present until recently as I was breastfeeding , she apparently refuses to believe that my LO won't take a bottle ( he wouldnt until last week!)
I know I need to be very careful about deflecting the blame away from idiots behaviour. But as far as I am concerned I feel she has also behaved disgustingly, am also slightly concerned as to the mental state of anyone who after a 4 month relationship wouldn't run a mile from
The very messy situation that is a pregnant ex from a recently separated relationship .
AIBU to think this woman is lower than a snakes belly and have my skin crawl at the thougt of her around my baby that she hasn't appeared to give a flying feck about as long as she is "happy"

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SarahBumBarer · 20/01/2012 13:50

How old is your LO? TBH it is none of OW' business whether he will or "wont" take the bottle - if you choose to bf that is up to you and if that impacts on her and your DH then tough.

It is not right to direct all of your anger at her but I do understand how much easier it is to do that. She has also now had a relationship of some duration with your husband so he has undoubtedly by his (twatish) actions given her the feeling that she has a right to have a say in things such as contact between children etc.

FWIW - I would not believe a word your DH says - it all comes across to me like a classic case of not wanting to look like the bad guy whilst not being willing to act like a good guy.

So sorry for the awful situation and hope you are getting yourself sorted.

Graciescotland · 20/01/2012 13:52

To be honest I'd blame them both. Your ex is an arse. That said she is also an arse. I'm not sure where this idea comes from that it's somehow ok to screw around with someone who's already in a relationship so long as you are single.

I'm sure it's little consolation to know that he'll probably do the exact same thing to her in a few years.

Tmesis · 20/01/2012 14:02

When she got together with your ex you were separated. OK, now in actual fact you were separated-but-talking-about-getting-back-together-and-he-was-actively-involved-in-planning-a-baby but to the outside world (and even more so to someone whose only information on the state of his relationship came from him) you were separated and he was fair game. Then it moved on to "separated but I'm standing by her on a practical level for the sake of the baby". She's been a bit of a muppet to get involved in such a messy situation, but that's about as far as it goes. Rage is misplaced.

Unless this particular Emma lives in Ashford, in which case yes, she's definitely evil and you should rant away...

LunarRose · 20/01/2012 14:05

In fact re-reading you post she didn't do anything wrong at all. You and your DH were seperated...

in the words of ross in friends "we were on a break"

Proudnscary · 20/01/2012 14:08
LunarRose · 20/01/2012 14:10

It actually sounds like you've just realised that there is no chance at all of the pair of you working it out and your directing your hurt and frustration at someone who really isn't to blame in this.

Yes all the time she is your ex's new partner she will have a part in your DC life. No an easy thing to come to terms with, but better you do than it ends up with courts arranging access. They really won't care if she was or wasn't the other woman.

Frankly I think you have been very foolish thinking that having his baby would resolve the matter.

kelly2000 · 20/01/2012 14:59

Your ex is the worst one. But she has seriously crossed a line by demanding to have access to yourchild on the basis thta she is sleeping with the father, and then making demands on how he is fed. i would keep BF, and not let her see him.

aldiwhore · 20/01/2012 15:12

FWIW - I would not believe a word your DH says - it all comes across to me like a classic case of not wanting to look like the bad guy whilst not being willing to act like a good guy.

Very good point SarahBumBarer

SaraBellumHertz · 20/01/2012 15:23

You were split up - she wasn't even the OW initially so YABU.

Presumably she wants to see your baby (how do you even know this?) because she has now been in a relationship with your ex for over a year and she is trying to to welcome it into their family.

Your ex sounds like a complete fuckwit.

CrabbyBigbottom · 20/01/2012 15:44

Sorry but YABVU. As you acknowledge, it was an irresponsible decision to ttc whilst separated from your DH. (I'm not throwing stones, mind - I've made a few irresponsible decisions in my time too Wink ). Your DH sounds a bit spineless - agreeing to ttc even though the relationship wasn't even firm enough to be living together, then agreeing to move back in because you put pressure on him, when he clearly didn't want to. As for the OW, not the wisest choice to get involved with a so recently separated bloke, but that's what he was - separated. I think the rage you're directing at her is misplaced. It sounds like none of you have behaved very reasonably or sensibly, so why not focus on moving on and creating the best co-parenting relationship possible for your DD, instead of allowing your rage to cause all this angst?

Oh, and your xDH wouldn't be taking your child round to his girlfriend's; he'd be taking his child round to his gf's. You have to remember that you are both her parents, and the gf, if their relationship lasts, will be part of her life too. I know that's really hard to swallow, honestly I do, but an inability to accept that is really not in your DD's best interests. Sounds like you two still need some counselling to establish an amicable relationship to bring up your DD.

Purplehonesty · 20/01/2012 17:53

Your baby your rules. Tell her to shove it, if she wants a baby she should get her own.

TooEasilyTempted · 20/01/2012 18:03

You were actively trying to conceive whilst separated??? Shock

You were separated so therefore she wasn't the OW. You don't know what bullshit he aphas told her.

YABU.

nowadoubledee · 20/01/2012 18:26

YABVU and selfish. it also doesn't make sense, you were seperated but agreed to have a baby together...i don't think so... you decided to have a baby with him & tried to trap him. You wont be the first or the last.

The person I feel sorry for is your child. Didn't they deserve the best chance at having 2 parents to love him/her? who would be involved in their life in a happy family unit. Your actions have reduced the likelihood that this would happen in persuit of your desire to have a child which you have made your top priority...everyone else is a casualty of your selfishness

SugarPasteVelociraptor · 20/01/2012 18:41

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pictish · 20/01/2012 18:46

She was not the OW, so you are being VU.

runningwilde · 20/01/2012 18:47

With regards to her demanding to see your baby

You don't need to let her see him, tell her to fuck off the cheeky bitch. You do so when you are ready

pictish · 20/01/2012 18:50

Oh yes - that's right. She can't demand to see your baby.
How do you know she is?
Has she contacted you directly?

AllEmmasAreEvil · 20/01/2012 19:00

I see no reason to lie on here so yes, whilst separated we were indeed TTC!! I did not in any way trap him and I resent the insinuation that I did! He is a grown up and more than capable of saying No and keeping his sperm away from me, however he didn't and was very happy with us going ahead and trying to sort out our marriage. I should also add we have been married for 15 years do the end of my marriage was a huge shock as well .
Yes I will reiterate TTC whilst separated was probably the dullest idea I have ever had ( and it was my idea too btw i take that on board)
I am aware that she will meet our child at some point however when someone comes in and tells you we need to get him taking LO out sorted soon as her children are becoming upset at not getting to meet and play with his new baby I admit I saw red mist!!
However he is a very good dad, that I cannot take away from him and I will do everything I can to make sure that the father son relationship continues to grow and develop.

I have to say though if and when I start dating again myself if someone mentions a pregnant ex wife I really will run as fast as my legs can carry me!!
Thanks for your replies, it's really helpful to have an outsiders perspective on this, ( rather than my friends ranting about how awful the pair of them are)
I have no doubt I will be back on here next week begging for advice to get LO to take a bottle properly as I am back to work in 10 days time Eeeeek!

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OneLieIn · 20/01/2012 19:02

Yabu, it's your husband who you should feel total rage at for being lying, deceitful, emotionally manipulative, a poor father, a selfish bastard.....etc etc

It makes me really cross that women often blame the other woman.

AmberLeaf · 20/01/2012 19:05

If they were sleeping together they werent particularly seperated were they?

OP He probably lied to her as much as he's lied to you, so you have only his word on what/when has happened.

He's deffo an arse, she may well be an arse too, but you'll prob never be sure of the truth in all this.

How do you know what shes been saying about feeding from a bottle etc?
if your husband is telling you he's an insensitive dick.

newbiedoobiedoo · 20/01/2012 19:10

How do you know she's demanding to see your baby and her kids are upset? Because if you're hearing it from ex, well, he's not exactly the most reliable source is he??

Oh and I don't think YABU as you can't help how you feel but really, she hasn't done anything wrong! Stupid maybe. But not wrong!

MadameCastafiore · 20/01/2012 19:14

I'd cut his bollocks off and feed them to her hoping she choked.

But really he was the one who was supposed to love you - she had no allegiance to you - why the fuck would she care about you - he probably painted you as a scheming bitch!

AllEmmasAreEvil · 20/01/2012 19:16

Oh it is all coming from him not her . She did try to add me on Facebook under a fake profile ( how terribly classy of herGrin) but made the mistake of using her real hometown where the only person I could possibly know of would be her!! Ten for effort but nil points for being so dull !!
I do believe him as knowing him of old when all goes to shit he starts finally telling the truth.

I am NOT angry with her for starting to see him on the first place just to clarify , I am however miffed that she continued to do so rather than just backing off for even a small amount of time so he could actually be supportive to me whilst pregnant and having a newborn without having her on the phone to him 10 times a day .
If they stay together I will be civil and do my best to rise above it, and of course I know time is a great healer and all that. I'm just looking forward to getting back to work and carrying on with our lives now

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newbiedoobiedoo · 20/01/2012 19:48

I would imagine the 10 phonecalls a day was borne of her insecurity and believing a pack of his lies!

SecretMinceRinser · 20/01/2012 19:57

How do you get pregnant by someone you are seperated from. Or does separated mean having-unprotected-sex-with these days?
That aside it was your ex who messed you around - if it hadn't had been with this woman it would have been with someone else.