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To think Scotland becoming independent wouldn't have any impact on the rest of the UK?

558 replies

lesley33 · 10/01/2012 13:47

Some in Scotland want it to become independent. I don't really understand why the coalition government is fighting against this happening. Will it really matter in the rest of the UK if scotland does become independent?

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AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/01/2012 10:43

that long post of yours is excellent, jollyjack.

redlac · 11/01/2012 10:43

Jolly i think there was only a street party in St Andrews and Edinburgh for the Royal Wedding - no where else was remotely bothered about it

fedupofnamechanging · 11/01/2012 10:46

Grin PercyPigs

AberdeenButtery · 11/01/2012 10:47

PercyPigs Grin

suzi2 · 11/01/2012 10:55

...a much wider problem in Scotland; the fact that the public sector is too large a proportion of the economy.

Nail on head AberdeenButtery. And damn you, cos now I want an AberdeenButtery and decent ones are hard to find beyond Dundee!

FlangelinaBallerina · 11/01/2012 10:57

AitchTwoOhOneTwo it was in response to comments about the innate positivity of Scottish nationalism. Scotland has a longstanding problem with sectarianism, and Scottish nationalistic sentiment has certainly been part of this (and please nobody try to tell me that because Unionism has been sectarian too, that means nationalism has never had anything to do with it).

AberdeenButtery that's ok, but please be more careful with your phrasing in the future. I posted upthread about English and British being used interchangably, and the English certainly not being the only people who do this!

AberdeenButtery · 11/01/2012 10:59

suzi2, my friend took down a batch on his way down to my wedding and he kept them in his kilt-bag. He smelled quite buttery the next day.

PostBellumBugsy · 11/01/2012 11:00

Love the daily mash, but hadn't seen that article. Thanks PercyPigs.

I can't remember if we've covered this, but could the Government just say, actually Scotland, do you know what, we don't want you any more - go off & be independent? Or do the same to Wales or NI?

I know my relatives in ROI, have the vapours every time they think of NI being handed back, because it would completely bankrupt ROI (well bankrupt it even more). They're not Anglos either, but through & through Irish.

FlangelinaBallerina · 11/01/2012 11:04

Theoretically England could vote for independence, as could any part of the UK. It's not the done thing for a sovereign state just to randomly divest itself of parts of its territory though. Particularly not without a vote!

redlac · 11/01/2012 11:04

I wouldn't say that sectarianism has got anything to do with Scottish nationalistic sentiment AT ALL. When you have got one side of a football match waving Irish flags and the other half waving Union Jacks and nary a Saltire or Lion Rampant to be seen!

And yes I think the vast majority of sectarian problems we have in Scotland stems from two fecking football clubs.

PostBellumBugsy · 11/01/2012 11:08

Ok, so if the Scots have a referendum & decide they want independence - where does it go from there? Presumably, Parliament - the ruling executive of the UK has to have some say in it?
Surely Flangelina, in the past, as a Sovereign State the UK has divested itself of all sorts of territories: Hong Kong being the last one?

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/01/2012 11:08

bullshit, i'm afraid. sectarianism has fuck all to do with scottish nationalism. even to say that proves that you are just talking out of your backside, tbh flangelina. and i speak as someone born and brined in the sectarian west of scotland.

redlac · 11/01/2012 11:11

brined Aitch? sounds painful :)

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/01/2012 11:14

anyone born where i was born, brought up where i was brought up and went to the schools that i went to was brined in sectarianism, redlac.

redlac · 11/01/2012 11:15

did it involve holy water and the proddy work ethic (depending on what side you were being brined on)?

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/01/2012 11:16

sorry redlac, do you have an objection to the word brined? Hmm it's perfectly appropriate to what i am describing.

redlac · 11/01/2012 11:17

no not at all! Was only having a wee laugh (Central Scotland dweller, Glasgow overspill town, Catholic mother, Protestant father, I know exactly what you are talking about!)

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/01/2012 11:19

well then you'll know that we grow up with this stuff absolutely pickled in this sectarian stuff, and that in saying that it had anything to do with scottish nationalism at all, flange just revealed herself as a major bullshit artiste.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/01/2012 11:20

(but then i also hated the daily mash article... am not sure why we have to laugh at that stuff tbh, it's exactly the sort of shite that will be employed to keep us down and scare people into not voting for independence).

redlac · 11/01/2012 11:21

completely agree with you Aitch

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/01/2012 11:22

do you think i could have said the word 'stuff' a bit more, though? Wink

niceguy2 · 11/01/2012 11:23

From reading these threads, it strikes me as strange/funny/ironic that it seems that more Scots seem to favour independence than the English do. Even though it would likely mean in the long run England is better off and politically it would probably spell the end of Labour as a party of government.

Also, I simply cannot understand why Scotland would want to make themselves a smaller weaker country in the current climate. Look at what happened to Ireland & Iceland. Would Scotland have survived had RBS & HBOS gone under if they were independent? No. They'd have gone bump like Iceland and cap in hand to the IMF.

As a small country in the EU, they'd have little choice but to go along with the majority. Look at who the key players are. France, Germany and UK. Ok, we're the pain in their arses but at least we stand up. When was the last time countries like Latvia & Lithuania set the agenda in the EU?

Look back to a who weeks ago. Do you think Salmond would have been able to veto the financial plans the French & German's were forcing down everyone's throats? I doubt it.

Under the Barnett formula, Scotland gets a greater share of UK tax revenues which means govt spending-wise they do better than say London or Manchester. If they go it alone, they'd only have their own tax revenues. Sure they can spend it entirely as they wish but then you'd have less money to start with, so less to go around.

And what about all those jobs in Scotland supporting the UK govt? Some would of course be retained to support Scotland's new govt but the rest? They'd be lost as England would rightly take those jobs back.

Overall I fear this being a long term disaster for Scotland, just so Alex Salmond and co can have more power.

redlac · 11/01/2012 11:24

maybe once more would have been overkill? ;)

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 11/01/2012 11:26

niceguy did you read the post about what would actually have happened with RBOS given that 90% of its business operations are in England?

redlac · 11/01/2012 11:26

Do we have any jobs up here supporting the UK govt? The tax offices would still be needed but we have our own Environmental Agency, own Heritage agency, etc etc