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Neighbours accused DP of being homophobic...

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HeyHoLetsGo · 04/01/2012 16:40

Bit long but will try and condense.

We live in one of a row of terraced houses where the neighbours all get on well and where many of the garden fences have been taken dwon to allow the children who live here more space and to have shared vegetable patch etc.

Our next door neighbours for 5 years have been a gay couple who we have become very good friends with, they are similar ages and outlook/sense of humour/interests to us, we go to the pub together, we have film nights, they babysit our DCs, and so on. Over New Year they had friends to stay, as did we, and there was a bit of a joint party.

Anyway since then we have noticed them being rather off with us, then yesterday afternoon they came round and said they were very offended by something our 7yo DD had said. Apparently on NYE she was talking to them when they told her she had to come home now as their friends were due to arrive, and DD said "Oh yes your 'bian' friends are coming aren't they". They then asked her to repeat what she said, so she did, and when they asked where she heard that she told them she had just heard 'somebody' say it and wouldn't say any more.

They are now accusing DP of calling their friends (and therefore them) 'bians' which they say is a highly offensive shortening of 'lesbians', they say they are furious as their sexuality is not a shameful secret and that it deserves its full name and that they are not just 'lesbians' they are people with names. They think DP has said this because they had a slight disagreement with him earlier on NYE (sorted out and forgotton by the evening) about their friends bringing a dog (which has previously been a right PITA when here) and so they now think he used homophobic language about them in anger.

DP says he didn't say it, and I believe him. He can be quite sweary when annoyed, and does mouth off a bit to me sometimes when people have pissed him off, but he is absolutely NOT homophobic and I have never ever heard him (or anyone else for that matter) use 'bians' as a derogatory term anyway.

I did ask DD about it, but she insisted she had just heard 'someone' say it and wouldn't say anymore, and I don't want to make a massive deal out of it to her. She wouldn't have known it was going to offend them - their sexuality isn't commented on by us at home, though she does know what the word 'lesbian' means as I explained it to her and told her it was not a bad thing by any means after she heard it at school last year.

WWYD? What would you think of the whole thing? DP is livid they would even think it of him to be homophobic, I am bemused by how badly they have taken a child's comment but obviously don't want to ignore their clear hurt and anger over it.

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Slambang · 04/01/2012 17:27

I'd let them know that you are both very hurt that they could even think that of you after 5 years of friendship. Your dd may have picked up something she heard at school but that neither you or dh have heard, used or would use the term.

eurochick · 04/01/2012 17:33

I don't see how bian is offensive in any way. They sound bonkers. Who cares who your daughter heard it from? It is just them being chippy.

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 04/01/2012 17:33

Bian? Ok I'm not a lesbian but I have a couple of gay women friends, one of whom is v political and if bian was derogatory slang I'm positive I would have heard about it from her! I have never heard this. I also work with v streetwise teens and hear all the baffling slang, never heard any using bian. I think they are making it up.

mynewpassion · 04/01/2012 17:55

It might not be offensive to you or me but it was to them.

If your DH didn't say it, then he didn't say it. Leave enough alone and just be polite neighbors.

IndieSkies · 04/01/2012 18:19

It was so obviously a misheard thing - wherever she did hear it.

And who knows, perhaps they misheard what she said anyway, perhaps she said 'benign friends' or 'Bajan friends or 'yes, you are being friends with them by inviting them round'

LovesBloominChristmas · 04/01/2012 18:25

I've never heard this before either. Tbh I think it is a very strange reaction from them.

HeyHoLetsGo · 04/01/2012 18:28

mynewpassion - if 'normal' neighbours then yes, i'd stick to that

but they are our friends too, and i can't ignore this and just be polite

plus, the way the gardens are set up means we have to interact more than neighbours usually do

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GlitterySkulls · 04/01/2012 18:30

while i think your neighbours are being ott, i just wanted to point out that "bean" is a derogatory term for a lesbian were i live.

perhaps your dd picked it up at school?

GlitterySkulls · 04/01/2012 18:31

where, not were

IndieSkies · 04/01/2012 18:34

Aha!
So maybe your dd misheard 'lesbian' as 'bian' and your neighbours assumed that she was using the derogatory word as described by GlitterySkull.

Where do you live, GliiterySkull? If you don't mind me asking.

yellowraincoat · 04/01/2012 18:37

Oh I'd be really upset if someone accused me or my partner of homophobia. They do sound like they're being a bit upset over nothing.

GlitterySkulls · 04/01/2012 18:41

i'm near glasgow, IndieSkies.

its used in the same way as poof, tranny, dyke etc

can't imagine anyone getting so peed off with a 7 year old over it, though.

WhatstheScenario · 04/01/2012 18:44

I think if they are really good friends this can - and should - be sorted out. Can they not just agree to give your family the benefit of the doubt and let bygones be bygones for now?. I really don't think any harm has been meant. Could you or your DH go 'round and say ;Look, this is ridiculous, we didnt mean any offence and we think this is all just a misunderstanding that has got out of hand'?

Never heard 'bean', btw, and I know loadsa lezzers Wink

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 04/01/2012 18:47

They really need to get a grip. I mean, what adult gets this put out over something a 7 year old has said, especially one who clearly has no idea that what she said was something supposedly offensive. You have said it wasn't you, what more do they want? Idiots.

verytellytubby · 04/01/2012 18:47

They sound nuts.

SlinkingOutsideInSocks · 04/01/2012 18:50

"Oh yes your 'bian' friends are coming aren't they".

I'm going to go slightly against the grain here and say that this is an odd thing to say. I do acknowledge that this is a 7 year old girl however, and that usual rules don't apply. But, 'oh yes, your (les)bian friends are coming aren't they' seems like such an unecessary thing to say...!

'Oh yes, your black friends are coming'. 'Oh yes, your disabled friends are coming'. 'Oh yes, your transvestite friends are coming'. D'ya see at least sort of what I mean?

I mean seriously - wouldn't the usual response to being told that it was time to go home as friends were arriving be, 'oh right, bye' as opposed to, 'oh yes, your other GAY friends are on their way'?!

Don't get me wrong, I think they're being over-sensitive, esp as this is a child we're talking about, and esp as you as a family clearly are not homophobic, but I think I might feel a bit piss-being-taken by your DD's remark.

Can anyone see where I'm coming from with this?!

HeyHoLetsGo · 04/01/2012 18:51

Oh really Glittery? Oh dear...

But they were very clear that DD said 'BI-an' not 'bean' Confused

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CrabbyBigbottom · 04/01/2012 18:51

They sound absolutely bonkers!

I didn't think I'd ever the term 'bian, as a derogatory term or otherwise, and have a couple of lesbian friends. But when I read 'bean' above, it reminded me of the term 'bean-flicker' - a jokey term for lesbians. Could it be that? I wouldn't really call that derogatory though. Confused

I think all of these terms - including poof, tranny, dyke as mentioned above - are offensive or completely inoffensive, totally according to how they're used and by whom. A good friend of mine regularly referred to himself and others as poofs, I've known lots of trannies, and several dykes (all self-described). I guess if someone homophobic is spitting the word out with contempt, though, it's entirely another matter.

My point, I guess, is that even if your daughter did say 'bian' or 'bean', why on earth were they assuming that she'd heard your DP (their good friend) saying something homophobic in tone or content? Hmm

They sound odd!

LineRunner · 04/01/2012 18:53

I've heard 'bean', like GlitterySkulls. And 'les-bin-im'.

Also 'flicking the bean' can be used in a dismissive way.

But if I was friends with a child who used a word I didn't like, I'd explain why, gently, and ask them not to say it again. I'd also assume, having DCs of my own, that they picked it up at school.

HeyHoLetsGo · 04/01/2012 18:57

Well yes Slinking, if an adult said it I'd agree with you. Unnecessary in the extreme.

And they think she repeated what an adult said, so yes, they are taking it as something more than the utterings of a socially-unaware child.

I just don't think she heard it from DP though. I really truly don't.

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GlitterySkulls · 04/01/2012 19:00

in that case, op, i have no idea what they're on about.
i'm as Confused as you are.

SlinkingOutsideInSocks · 04/01/2012 19:03

If it were me, I'd give it a day or two for everyone to calm down, and then go round and have a chat with them. They're good friends and neighbours, so you reslly do have to clear the air with them.

Obviously your DD didn't mean to be offensive, and it's far more likely that her use of 'bian' was a misconstrued version of lesbian, as opposed to a deliberately chosen shortened (read: offensive) abbreviation, such as (sorry to use it) 'Paki' for Pakistani.

Further, it'd really unfair of them to assume that not only was your seven year old DD being deliberately offensive, but to then assume she learnt this from your DP. Confused That's some mahoosive conclusion-jumping going on there.

Basically, go round, try to gently point these things out without going on the defensive, and hopefully the situation can be diffused. Those of us with young children are obviously much more aware than child-free types as to how children can innocently get the wrong end of the stick and say inappropriate things that are simply not meant maliciously.

Hopefully all you will be willing to give the other the benefit of the doubt, move on and all of this be forgotten. :)

Ihatecbeebies · 04/01/2012 19:07

I've heard of it being used, I'm in Scotland and it is a common derogitary term for lesbian, it is strange of them to immediately blame your DP despite being friends with him for so long...why not blame you? A neighbour? Or more likely a schoolfriend?

HeyHoLetsGo · 04/01/2012 19:09

I hope so too Slinking.

They seem to be so furious with a child's misuse of language that they are using very strong words to condemn someone without really having a shred of evidence to base that on. They called him a bigot, FFS, they know damn well he is nothing of the sort.

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HeyHoLetsGo · 04/01/2012 19:11

Ihate - because they think he said it when annoyed about the friend's dog. They reckon DD was repeating what he'd said because when they asked her to repeat it, she said 'Oh I heard someone say that your 'bian' friends were coming'

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