In thinking that Jesus may possibly have been Gay?

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I suggested this in another thread and the effect was like a fart at a funeral; it cleared the room!
It's not so far fetched though. He was 33 when he died, and never married. I would imagine that in the year Dot most people were married by the age of 18, so that is one confirmed bachelor.
And then there is the 'tache'n'beard, the sandals and the twelve guys he hung with..

To be fair, the Gulf states (which is where natural resources are concentrated) are phenomenally rich. They're also authoritarian and extremely unequal, which means that the benefits that are reaped are concentrated in the hands of the few autocratic rulers and their cronies.

I'm not even arguing about the benefits of doing away with due process; we have words for that sort of thing and they're not particularly nice ones either. If your absolute moral values favour mob rule and appeals to our more base instincts then I'll simply declare my own secular sense of morality to be superior.

FWIW, I would personally value the right not to be subjected to cruel forms of punishment, the right to expression and freedom of thought much more than that to accumulate the greatest amount of wealth regardless of the cost to everyone else.

NotADudeExactly Tue 20-Dec-11 19:11:01
"To be fair, the Gulf states (which is where natural resources are concentrated) are phenomenally rich. They're also authoritarian and extremely unequal, which means that the benefits that are reaped are concentrated in the hands of the few autocratic rulers and their cronies"

And we have seen the same pattern in European countries which are avowedly Christian, and their colonies, and in countries which are neither Christian nor Islamic. You've heard of Versailles, and Hampton Court? And Tsarist Russia? You've also heard of China, North Korea and Haiti? And of segregation in the American South? And Apartheid? Are you suggesting that social injustice is caused by religions?

Ahem, no, that was not what I was saying. This was a direct reply to Wobbly who seems to think that supposedly absolute "Graeco-Roman-Judeo" based values make countries rich and was arguing that Middle Eastern countries economies did not thrive because they're based on different moral frameworks.

I didn't want to jump in again (was off exploring government financial shenanigans, anyway) but wanted to thank you all for such an interesting read :)

Why thank You

If Jesus had married, there would've been the problem of children, given that he was wholly divine and wholly human simultaneously. What would the children be in that case? Demi-gods as in ancient Greece and Rome? If, as the Bible suggests, Jesus was divine, then it would not make sense for him to leave any progeny, because that would complicate matters. Personally, I don't have a problem with the idea of Jesus marrying (although I really think he didn't as he had a lot more pressing matters to attend to!), but can't see how he'd have had children and still be the son of God. It kinda doesn't compute.

Yeah Piglet, I meant obviously that it was unlikely (as I've stated above) due to the kid issue.

darkly, you seem to be assuming something in the absence of evidence.

I realise you'll all be off carol-singing and purifying yourselves but - when you come back to this - your last post really threw me, thru!

OK, you were probably being flippant about the demigod progeny idea. But ... if that idea even crossed your mind (clearly it did), then you'd be implying that Jesus's divinity was hereditary

Greek gods had actual sex with humans, so their divinity could be genetically passed along according to those theologies. But god didn't have sex with Mary ... did it??! I thought Jesus was supposed to be human and also imbued with god-ness. But wholly human. If he didn't eat, he went hungry; if you cut him, he bled, etc. If he had kids, then, they'd be human kids surely?

[Accepts a small medal for avoiding schoolgirl jokes about Superman's spunk]
[Gives medal back, having just blown it]

I don't think there is any reason to presume that the Lord was not gay. Why not? In fact, maybe a Gaylord.

Actually there is a bit in genesis about angels having sex with human women and their children being the nephilim (sorry not sure about spelling) or giants! But Jesus was FULLY human but also FULLY Devine and looked like a normal human being so I think if he had kids they would just be normal humans. May be he had a normal human body but his "spirit/soul" was actually God/Holy Spirit?

Genesis 6 v4!

Wow, how did I miss that???!!!

It's given me a whole new Christmas thought ...

IIRC angels are also described as being neither male nor female.

But you don't need to worry about contradictory stories that don't hang together or make sense.

This is possibly the most interesting thread I have ever come across om MN, thanks everyone.

Has anyone read "Lamb, The Gospel According to Biff"? Quite irreverent, possibly blasphemous to certain Christians, but so eye-opening and entertaining.