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In thinking that Jesus may possibly have been Gay?

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nativitywreck · 17/12/2011 15:20

I suggested this in another thread and the effect was like a fart at a funeral; it cleared the room!
It's not so far fetched though. He was 33 when he died, and never married. I would imagine that in the year Dot most people were married by the age of 18, so that is one confirmed bachelor.
And then there is the 'tache'n'beard, the sandals and the twelve guys he hung with..

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HecateGoddessOfTwelfthNight · 17/12/2011 15:39

There's no mention anywhere in the bible that mary magdalene was a prostitute.

She has been assumed to be the prostitute that washed jesus' feet. But the bible doesn't say that.

The word prostitute isn't in the bible either. The word harlot is, but never used to describe her.

The woman caught in adultery was never named either. But people assume it to be her too.

There is reference to her having been demon possessed and jesus having cured her and her going on to be one of his most devout followers.

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nativitywreck · 17/12/2011 15:39

Well, the Pope...I thinks that's fairly obvious! (the duds, the jewellry...)

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WhereYouLeftIt · 17/12/2011 15:42

It all rather turns on whether you think the Bible contains the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Or whether you think it was written by people long after the events who couldn't know the whole story, by people who may have had their own agenda to push, or poorly translated through several languages.

Can you tell how much I loved Robert Beckford's Who Wrote the Bible? on Channel 4? Grin

SardineQueen · 17/12/2011 15:57

dementedma what is offensive about being gay Confused

Hecate I need to get my bible out! It's been a while...

SardineQueen · 17/12/2011 15:58

Plenty of RC priests are gay. No great shakes to imagine there must have been gay popes.

SardineQueen · 17/12/2011 15:59

In fact theoretically it wouldn't matter if the pope was gay.

It's sex they're not allowed, with anyone. Who they would prefer to have sex with if they were having sex is neither here nor there.

WorraLiberty · 17/12/2011 16:00

Post the same question on a Muslim chat site about Mohammed and see how many people you can offend

That's exactly what I was going to say.

I'm not at all religious or gay but I imagine if I was, I'd be quite offended by the OP's piss taking tone.

QueenofJacksDreams · 17/12/2011 16:02

Post the same question on a Muslim chat site about Mohammed and see how many people you can offend

But this isn't a Christian website?

I personally don't care one way or another I'm not Christian but Pagan and if someone would like to suggest the Goddess herself was a lesbian I wouldn't be offended. Religion should be debatable.

HecateGoddessOfTwelfthNight · 17/12/2011 16:04

This isn't a christian chat site, no. But there are christians on it. However, is it an offensive question? Only if you believe that being gay is offensive.

WorraLiberty · 17/12/2011 16:07

It's nothing to do with gay being offensive it's the piss taking tone.

We are talking about someone's 'God' after all and I think that should be respected.

This thread doesn't respect Christianity, it's just taking the piss.

GothAnneGeddes · 17/12/2011 16:14

I hate it when people bring Muslims into things for no reason, especially because:

Jesus (peace be upon him) is a Prophet in Islam so is therefore held in very high esteem by Muslims.

So all those saying "Oooh, you wouldn't say that to a Muslim" are just showing your ignorance.

As far as Muslims are concerned, there's no record of Jesus (peace be upon him) being married, but it's no big deal if he was.

As for the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him), I've read far bigger insults (not that being gay is an insult, imho) about him on MN, let alone elsewhere on the internet and Muslim forums and blogs are frequently trolled by islamophobes. I don't know where people get this idea from that no one dares insult Islam or Muslims because it is very far from true.

SantasStrapon · 17/12/2011 16:15

I agree with Hecate, the question is only offensive if you consider being gay to be offensive.

SirCliffRichardSucksEggsInHell · 17/12/2011 16:19

No it's not.

When I was in my twenties, my family had never seen me with a boyfriend. I didn't dress girly, wore my hair short and was perfectly happy to remain single. This obviously meant I was gay Hmm

I think that presumptions made about someone's sexual preferences is offensive no matter what that presumption is. There are gays, straights and even asexuals in this world, but is that really any of our business?

WorraLiberty · 17/12/2011 16:20

Well I don't consider being gay offensive but I do consider taking the piss out of other people's religion to be extremely bad form.

PlumpDogPillionaire · 17/12/2011 16:21

Good post, GothAnneGeddes.
I wish I could produce such a measured response when those sort of remarks are made.

HecateGoddessOfTwelfthNight · 17/12/2011 16:21

Yes. I see your point about the OP. The bit on the end of the op about sandals and the apostles gives a good indication that he/she was possibly intending to joke rather than asking a serious question.

It still remains, imo, that even making a joke about jesus possibly being gay is not offensive to christians, because there is nothing offensive about being gay. so even joking about jesus being gay only offends if you find being gay offensive.

However, it is deeply offensive to people who are gay to use sexuality to make a joke. So I'd be less offended as a christian and more offended if I was gay. Cos the joke/mocking here is not at christians so much as it is at being gay.

Hardgoing · 17/12/2011 16:22

You can't tell, so I wouldn't give it much thought, he might have been gay, married, bisexual, you simply can't know. The theories that he was married or in a relationship with a woman have been around for a while, so your 'he wasn't married' is not necessarily accurate. Nor is your looking for 'signs' of gayness, I didn't know hanging around with girls made me a lesbian.

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nativitywreck · 17/12/2011 16:23

I don't think anyone is obliged to respect anyone opinion about anything.
You may believe that fairies live at the bottom of your garden, and that's up to you, but I am under no obligation to respect that belief.

I would be very interested to see your pictures of them though.

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WorraLiberty · 17/12/2011 16:24

Yes. I see your point about the OP. The bit on the end of the op about sandals and the apostles gives a good indication that he/she was possibly intending to joke rather than asking a serious question.

Exactly! Xmas Smile

SardineQueen · 17/12/2011 16:24

Given the sort of things people say and do in the name of christianity, to do with sex, relationships and sexuality, I think it is people's business.

PlumpDogPillionaire · 17/12/2011 16:25

nativity - do you mean you're not obliged to share other beliefs? That's quite different from not being obliged to respect them.

WorraLiberty · 17/12/2011 16:26

You're right OP. You are under no obligation to respect anyone's religion and if you feel it's ok to take the piss, that's your perogative.

However, it's my perogative to point out that imo it's bad form as I was brought up to respect other people's religions even if I don't believe in them.

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nativitywreck · 17/12/2011 16:26

It's just interesting tme only, because people have so many prejudices in Jesus' name (the "Jesus Hates Fags" people in the uS for example) but the reality of the man himself, if he did exist, could have been so different to what the common perception is.

It's been said before, but how does a black, gay, Jewish communist fit into modern Christianity?

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toddlerama · 17/12/2011 16:26

The Jesus of the bible is said to be the only man who fulfilled levitical and mosaic law, which allowed him to develop and exceed it. Levitical law condemns homosexual practices so he would not have partaken. As his own development of the law extended to thoughts and heart as well as actions, safe to assume he wasn't gay.

toddlerama · 17/12/2011 16:27

And Jesus doesn't hate anyone. Those hatefilled people do not speak on anyone's behalf but their own.