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grovel · 2011-12-12T09:42:19+00:00

Even worse than the Military Wives Choir? At least I can rejoice in the motivation of the MWC.

applecrumbleandcream · 14/12/2011 19:52

' young girl' is patronising, good god I've heard it all now! After spider pigs comments that's unbelievable!

SoupDragon · 14/12/2011 20:11

No, still not getting it, Bossybritches. I assume you have actually read my posts?

At no point have i commented on her appearance, simply pointed out that this kind of thing is to be expected and that it goes hand in hand with fame.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 14/12/2011 22:19

People who post bitchy coments about a young woman's appearance on an anonymous website are kinda sad, don't you think ?

Restrainedrabbit · 15/12/2011 03:39

Would we be having this conversation about a boy group?!!! Some of the comments here are appalling.

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 07:37

"Would we be having this conversation about a boy group?"

Robbie Williams was often "the fat one" in Take That wasn't he?
George Michael has often had his weight commented on.

Bossybritches22 · 15/12/2011 07:37

Thank you AF & RR* just the point I was making.

SD yes of course I read your posts, hence my comment.

My post of 19.25 (second paragraph) was in reply to your post of 7.38 (third paragraph)

I hope that clarifies it for you.

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 07:53

"People who post bitchy coments about a young woman's appearance on an anonymous website are kinda sad, don't you think ?"

Not particularly. How many other threads have there been commenting unfavourably on the appearance of celebrities (male and female) and what they are wearing?

The members of Little Mix are no longer just "young women". They are, through their own choice, becoming celebrities. Whilst it may not be nice, comments about their appearance are par for the course and they need to learn how to deal with them. Celebrities can not win - they will always be too fat or too thin or less pretty than A N Other celebrity. You only have to skim through the stories on the right hand side of the screen in the Femail bit of the Daily Mail online to see that. Hand in hand with the sycophantic followers gushing "Oh you are wonderful, you are gorgeous you look ^great!" are those who want to criticise. Somewhere in the middle are the honest ones.

Jesy is not fat, she's not gorgeous, she is an ordinary pretty young woman. In the eyes of the tabloid press (and thus a large number of ordinary people), that will probably never be enough for a pop star though and there will always be comments based solely on her appearance. She needs to learn how to deal with it and, hopefully, gain the inner confidence not to let it bother her.

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 07:56

No, it doesn't clarify it at all.

How is pointing out the truth about stardom in any way criticising the members of the group? Please do elucidate. I have not criticised her appearance, I have not called her ugly nor compared her to a puppet farmyard animal. I actually only saw one single episode of X Factor and thought they were the weakest of the 5 acts I saw.

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 08:00

You asked Spiderpig, who has made many rude comments about Jesy's appearance, what her problem is and then included me in the same brett.

If you had read my posts properly you would see that I am simply saying that they all knew what they were letting themselves in for and nasty comments about how they look and what they do are part of the price. If you bothered to read my posts correctly you wold also notice that I pointed out that she would always be too fat or too thin.

Bossybritches22 · 15/12/2011 08:13

I presume the last 2 posts were to me ?

I told you which remarks I was referring to.

It seems you can give it out about someone who can't defend themselves on here but not accept it from someone who is prepared to disagree.

We all know the media can, has & probably will quote MN threads verbatim & I don't want to be part of that misquoting so will stop here.

It's clearly bothering you to be challenged so I shall get on with my day & let you get on with yours, have a good one.

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 08:15

It's not bothering me to be challenged, you simply haven't bothered to actually say what you find so wrong with my comments.

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 08:17

"It seems you can give it out about someone who can't defend themselves on here but not accept it from someone who is prepared to disagree."

Except, of course, I've not actually given anything out about someone "who can't defend themselves, have I? I have simply pointed out that this is the price of fame.

hackmum · 15/12/2011 10:02

squeakytoy - I've only seen them once, and I thought they looked like Bratz dolls too! Someone has really overdone their eye makeup - I assume it's not their own choice. Probably somebody thought that big eyes are really appealing, and they'd get the kiddie vote.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 15/12/2011 19:07

SD she is still "just a young woman", with feelings

Just because she likes to sing and perform, it doesn't mean that her self esteem is any more able to withstand such bloody horrible personal comments

So what if you think "she should just get used to it". I agree that she will have to, but I for one, am happy to stand up against the flow and say "don't make personal comments"

Just because it happens, doesn't make it right, nor acceptable. I say it is not acceptable

There are lots of things that we know are part of the fabric of our society, but we don't have to accept them if we don't want to

We could try not being a sheep, for a start

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 20:21

" it doesn't mean that her self esteem is any more able to withstand such bloody horrible personal comments"

It will have to be. Everyone knows precisely what is involved with being "famous". She is not "just" a young woman any more, she is in the public eye and she chose to enter a competition to put herself there and thus put herself up for scrutiny. As I said, she will always be too fat or too thin or criticised for something else.

She is not vulnerable in the same way, say, Susan Boyle was - she was clearly clueless about what was going to happen and could not cope. Jesy is what appears to be a feisty "with it' young woman who is now living her dream of fame. She would have been well aware of what went with it. You need to be a certain sort of person to be in the public eye like that. If she doesn't have it, she needs to get out before she's damaged.

Celebrities like her deliberately put themselves in the public eye. Its not like she was captured on someone's phone and made a spectacle of without her knowledge or consent. On the other hand, I do have sympathy for those who are thrust into the spotlight through no choice of their own (Fifi Geldof springs to mind off the top of my head - she gets commented on yet she is only in the public eye because of her father and not through conscious choice. Unlike her "worryingly thin" sister Peaches). I save my concern and sympathy for those unwillingly thrust into the limelight by circumstance, not those who enter a national televised competition solely to gain fame.

Oh, and I have not made any horrible personal comments and I am not a sheep.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 15/12/2011 20:26

You can talk it all you like, SD, you won't make it sound acceptable

Perhaps there is a split here

people who think it's ok to trash others, and those that excuse it
people who don't

I know which one I would like in my epitaph

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 20:26

It's like feeling sorry for people who agree to go on Big Brother.

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 20:33

You can talk about it all you like, you still won't change the fact that she (and other) chose to be there.

Perhaps there is a split here:

Those who life in a fluffy wuffy cloud cuckoo land where no one says anything howwid and
those who live in the real world.

[shrug]

I don't think it is nice to have nasty comments about your appearance and never said that it was but if 'new celebrities fall into type 1 above, they are going to fall hard and end up in deep mental shit.

Should, god forbid, a child of mine want to do this sort of thing I would make damn sure they are aware of what goes with it and give them the mental grounding to deal with any such comments. Hopefully Jesy comes from a stable background which will enable her to deal with the comments and see them for what they are. Hopefully with the backing of family and friends around her she will be fine. If not, she really shouldn't be in the job and should quit now.

SoupDragon · 15/12/2011 20:34

But I shall leave you now. I saw one episode and am only commenting in a general manner.

RomanChristingle · 15/12/2011 21:02

Just cos everyone is doing something it doesn't make it ok or mean you shouldn't call individuals on their behaviour. Is looting ok?

I'm sure everyone who goes on shows like x-factor has some idea that they are putting themselves up for comment. But they may not realise that they are going to be one of the ones that the press/people turn on in a major way. There are overweight celebrities that get mainly positive press. There is an element of luck to it. I don't think she was naive to have not expected quite such a horrid reaction to her appearance. By non-popstar standards she isn't even fat.

applecrumbleandcream · 15/12/2011 21:03

What a horrible horrible society we live in if that's what shes got to look forward to, disgusting comments not about her talents but about the size of her thighs! I despair