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To think that being Tory doesn't make you thick?

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RainbowSheep · 10/12/2011 19:28

Ok, my family are all very liberal (I mean my parents, aunts & uncles, who incidently have all had lots of money & opportunities throughout their lives). Their parents (who were poor working class) were more conservative as are me and my brother, who are both pretty poor. We recently had a family get together where I was told by my uncle (university lecturer) that Tories were unitelligent and I was beginning to sound like an idiot for having conservative views... I don't think I am particularly right wing.

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perceptionreality · 13/12/2011 17:58

This is about tory policy, individual dictators have nothing to do with it. In Hitler's evil and warped mind he would probably have considered himself 'for the people'.

LemonDifficult · 13/12/2011 18:07

OK, good, I agree with you in that case. Individual's behaviour isn't necessary or sufficient proof for or against any political system. That was the point I was trying to make.

HarrySantaatemygoldfish · 13/12/2011 18:21

And now I can cross off, "scum" on my All Tories are Evil Bingo card!

Marvellous.

Hully, by far the thickest sounding person on this thread is you. The very people you are spitting bile at are those that finance all the things you hold most dear.

Everyone is an individual, there is good and bad in all of us regardless of political persuasion.

EdlessAllenPoe · 13/12/2011 18:35

the BNP is left wing actually.

ElaineReese · 13/12/2011 18:36

Do only Tories pay tax? I knew there was reason I was a lefty!

And I disagree that the BNP are left wing.

KateMiddlet0n · 13/12/2011 18:38

the BNP is left wing actually.

What the actual? Ed are you quite alright?

perceptionreality · 13/12/2011 18:39

The BNP are left wing? They are a far right party. They even admit that themselves.

KateMiddlet0n · 13/12/2011 18:40

I pay tax therefore I'm a Tory? Confused What utter rot. Every consumer pays tax in this country. Some of us pay a lot of income tax, some not so much. How much tax you pay doesn't make you left or right wing. How you think it should be SPENT is what makes you left or right wing.

HarrySantaatemygoldfish · 13/12/2011 18:44

The tories are being lambasted for being rich and hating the poor.

Thank you for seconding the fact that this is utter tosh!

KateMiddlet0n · 13/12/2011 18:46

Course the Tories would rather pay less. Low taxation and smaller state support is their thing. Never mind how much money is actually needed.

londonone · 13/12/2011 18:46

I suppose it depends more on whether you are a net contributor or recipient to the tax pot. Generally speaking the contributors are more right wing and the recipients more left wing. There are however many exceptions on both sides.

londonone · 13/12/2011 18:48

How much money is needed is completely debateable. I for one don't think that Healthy schools coordinators are something I want to pay tax for!

HarrySantaatemygoldfish · 13/12/2011 18:48

I did point that out a while back, londonone! Grin

londonone · 13/12/2011 18:49

debatable

HarrySantaatemygoldfish · 13/12/2011 18:49

Or Sure Start with baby massage and free soft play in leafy suburbs.

londonone · 13/12/2011 18:50

I'm with you Harry!

perceptionreality · 13/12/2011 18:50

Actually I'm just laughing at the stuff on the BNP website. Now there is an example of quintessential stupidity haha.

londonone · 13/12/2011 18:59

BIWIshYouAMerryChristmas Tue 13-Dec-11 17:18:22
From Harry:

"I'm a Tory. We are wealthy enough to have skiing holidays and ponies and a nice house. We also paid over 100K in tax last year.

You know what, I think that to suggest we give up that skiing holiday on top of the tax we pay is unreasonable, unfair and is never gonna happen.

When you pay that amount of tax, you get to decide whether you ski or donate, until then be bloody thankful that enough of us do pay."

You know, words have actually failed me up until now.

So I am genuflecting in Harry's direction, displaying grovelling gratitude that there are people like you in this country for us all to admire.

Why shouldn't people be grateful that we have a system that means many many people get far more out of the system than they contribute because a few people contribute a huge amount.

There are people who should be supported no matter what and who shouldn't be grateful i.e the sick, disabled and carers. Everyone else should be bloody grateful for what they get. We should be grateful that if we choose to have kids they will receive a free education, but it's not really free is it because it is being paid for by taxation which some people contribute a lot more of than others,

londonone · 13/12/2011 19:00

"BIWIshYouAMerryChristmas Tue 13-Dec-11 17:18:22
From Harry:

"I'm a Tory. We are wealthy enough to have skiing holidays and ponies and a nice house. We also paid over 100K in tax last year.

You know what, I think that to suggest we give up that skiing holiday on top of the tax we pay is unreasonable, unfair and is never gonna happen.

When you pay that amount of tax, you get to decide whether you ski or donate, until then be bloody thankful that enough of us do pay."

You know, words have actually failed me up until now.

So I am genuflecting in Harry's direction, displaying grovelling gratitude that there are people like you in this country for us all to admire."

BIWI - Why shouldn't people be grateful that we have a system that means many many people get far more out of the system than they contribute because a few people contribute a huge amount.

There are people who should be supported no matter what and who shouldn't be grateful i.e the sick, disabled and carers. Everyone else should be bloody grateful for what they get. We should be grateful that if we choose to have kids they will receive a free education, but it's not really free is it because it is being paid for by taxation which some people contribute a lot more of than others,

EdlessAllenPoe · 13/12/2011 19:05

BNP is left wing because it favours a state-controlled economy and guaranteed workers rights..it is authoritarian also but that doesn't stop them from being left-wing. stalin and mao were racist woman-hating left wingers...the BNP are of a similar cut.

consider also where a phrase such as 'british jobs for british workers' sits as a left wing concern.

and i quote 'It's muddled thinking to simply describe the likes of the British National Party as "extreme right". The truth is that on issues like health, transport, housing, protectionism and globalisation, their economics are left of Labour' the political compass

i would think the higher levels of immigration really hurt labour at grass roots level (ie with the kind of person Gordon Brown called a 'bigot') in the last election.

incidentally, i am struggling to think of 3 moral politicians (tory bliar? Two Jags? Blunkett? Brown was a known bully...)

FontSnob · 13/12/2011 19:07

Or Sure Start with baby massage and free soft play in leafy suburbs.

So your point is that sure start centers should be axed?

EdlessAllenPoe · 13/12/2011 19:24

i think it didn't represent good targeting of an effort intended to help the less well off.

perceptionreality · 13/12/2011 19:29

Ed, I think you are wrong. I really don't get this idea that the BNP is actually left. What about their policies on, for example crime?

Quote;'Traditionally, the Left includes progressives, social liberals, social democrats, socialists, communists and some anarchists.The Right includes conservatives, plutocrats, reactionaries, capitalists, monarchists, nationalists and fascists'

The BNP are fascist nationalists. They believe in capital punishment and vigilante style mob rule.

FontSnob · 13/12/2011 19:33

But even in the 'leafy suburbs' you get social housing and people who need the access to the services they provide. I rented in a very nice village when dd was newborn, I was isolated and suffering from pnd, the course at the nearest surestart (a larger village a couple of miles away - also nice, with social housing) was an absolute life saver, to myself and other women, some of whom were from nice middle class homes. There was a mix of people there, and that can only be a good thing.

Why do people always latch on to one example of a good thing that is misplaced and then condemn an entire scheme?

londonone · 13/12/2011 19:38

Others might argue that your family and friends should be providing support for a new mother and that the NHS is there to deal with the medical side. IMO the it's not the role of government to provide a place for new mums to go out and meet up. That would be a role for friends, family, churches and charities IMO If you and the other nice middle class mums feel it is something of great value then you could choose to support said charities.