AIBU to think that the government are trying to rob our children?

[ShirleyKnot]

AIBU for believe that the single parent's in our society are under attack - yet again?

Despite the statistics that show that 3/5 of us residential parents are in receipt of zero child maintenance.

Those who choose to use the CSA to chase non paying parents are now in the firing line..

From 2013
Parents using the CSA will pay £100 as an upfront fee (or £50 for parents on benefit) for those who want to use the future CSA. Only ?Victims of domestic violence? will be exempt (although there is no detail on how this will be proved or checked).

An on-going charge of between 7% and 12% on any maintenance paid to parents who rely on the future CSA to collect their child maintenance, as well as an extra 15-20% charge added to the non-resident parent?s payment.

Isn't this taking food out of my child's mouth?

For the record, I was married and exh on the birth certificates.

This is a bit of a pedantic point, and I'll make it clear I'm a single Dad, but I don't have an axe to grind.

The 3 in 5 figure quoted is for lone parents who do not use the CSA.

I'm quite happy to embellish on this, but don't want to derail the thread.

This will be deleted.

What exactly is your point 3boys?

Is it that we should STFU and pay out of our pockets for our children without any help from the fathers?

Is that your point?

errrr.. my children's names are on their birth certificate, don't really see what that has to do with it troisgarcons

Do you know 3boys Shirley?

Youllbewaiting

For all those with an agreement for child maintenance (both through the CSA and private arrangement) the median weekly amount received is £46 per family

Yeah. It was a point worth making

Nope Mouse

My point, shirls is that statistics are manipulated and encompas a large amount of reasons and backgrounds. I play with statistics all day , manipulating figures. So telling me 3/5 parents pay no support is something I could manipulate on a spreadsheet if I had full figures. EG Dead parent. Unemployed parent. In prison parent. Sectioned parent. Deported parent. Unknown parent.

The figures are freely available in the link further back in the thread 3boys.

You can talk all day long about statistics trois.

All day fucking long.

You come tell me that it reasonable, equitable and fair for single parents to chase NON PAYING PARENTS with an up front payment of £100.00 and then to lose 7-12 percent of their CHILD MAINTENANCE.

Maybe we'll have a fucking chat. Right now you're coming across as a bit of a bigot.

Read my post. ARGUE THE POINT and we'll talk yeah?

4.9% widdowed
29.1% divorced
20.9% married or seperated
45.3% less than half of all lone parents, were either ex-cohabitees, along with those who never lived with the other parent of the child.

I can understand what Troisgarcons typed name in correctly i saying and it's a fair point.
Statistics can be used by the compiler to tell a story even if that story is slanted.

It sounds like a fabulous idea. I will gladly pay £100 upfront for the CSA to lose my paperwork for 2 years, then refuse to backdate it. I'm sure it won't take long at my current rate of 87p per child per week. Oh, it won't be that heady sum? Oh, OK that's fine. I'll find it from the shiny new rate of 78p a week instead. It'll only take me 2 years before I see any actual financial support for the children that were very much wanted, planned and born within a long term relationship.

Yep, can't see a single flaw in that proposal at all

If the NRP has an income of 20K pa:

Normal, current maintenance for one dc would be £57.75.

Best case under new rules: NRP pays £8.66 more than now. RP receives £4.04 less than now. Government makes £12.70.

NRP pays £66.41
RP receives £53.71

Worst case under new rules: NRP pays £11.55 more than now. RP receives £6.93 less than now. Government makes £18.48.

NRP pays £69.30
RP receives £50.82

So even if the NRP is only on 20k pa, the Government will be making between £12.70 and £18.48 EVERY WEEK. Which is between £660.40 and £960.96 from EACH CHILD.

It is like saying if you want to apply for child tax credits, you have to pay us £100 up front, and a percentage of the CTC each month!

The usual tool - attack the poster - well done trois.

I'm done anyway

Is that including the £100 upfront? Is that a thousand pounds a year pocketed by the government, taken from a disadvantaged child with a NRP earning £20k per year?

shirley don't let poster get you down. There is a difference between ranting and believing in what is right :)

I'm pretty fucking sure it does not cost between £660 and £960 a year for EVERY PERSON USING THE CSA. If it does - then they need to do some serious housekeeping in their accounts Dept.

And, bear in mind - if the NRP is on, say, £40K pa...the Government will be making even more money each week.

(Sums for that to follow later).

K'in Nora, you are reactionary.

I'm quite mellow with a glass of wine at the mo...feel free to mellow with me. But I cant be dogng with shouty people.

Anyway, I kinda think you latched on to a passing comment I made, decided to get offended and took your own thread off on a wild tangent.

All statistics are manipulable (is that a word? did I invent it?)

Maybe you'll want to have a go at me Trois, because I wasn't married to my DS's dad (although we lived together for 4 yrs, were engaged and DS was planned), he isn't on the BC and DS has my surname. The reasons are simple. When I was 4 months pregnant he left me for the OW. I still wanted him to be involved with the pregnancy and despite him saying he wanted to be a dad and promising to be involved in the pregnancy, he reneged on that. He was meant to come with me for my 20 wk scan, but text me (yes, text) two days before to say he wasn't coming. He provided no financial help to buy a pram, cot, clothes etc for the baby - I shouldered that cost. The last time I saw him I was 6 months pg and he just looked me up and down in disgust and said 'god, you're massive'. Nice.When DS was born he didn't want to see him. So when I registered DS's birth, I went alone and gave him my surname. My ex has never even bothered to see my DS (his own choice) and pays jack shit towards his upbringing, so I clearly made the right decision.

Just because he's not on the BC doesn't mean he isn't the father. I know who the father of my child is, thank you very much. He's the 'man' who planned to have a child with me. He's also the man who should be contributing towards his upbringing, birth certificate or no birth certificate.

Stupid question.
Wouldn't the old court system be cheaper to run?

TheMouseRanUpTheClock - YES that is nearly £1000 a YEAR pocketed by the Government from a disadvantaged child who has an NRP earning £20K pa. You DID read that right. Multiply that over all the people using the CSA.

I'm going to submit a FoI request to the Government minister responsible for overseeing this policy, and ask how much the Treasury is projecting their income from this measure is. Because it's going to be a FUCKING LOT. Not all NRP's that DO pay maintenance are only on £20K pa - some will be on much more, and will be paying MORE pa to the Government...