to think these people were selfish and rude.

[cakeoclock]

The push chair v wheelchair on a bus just reminded me what happened this weekend.

I was christmas shopping with friends (one in a wheelchair) in Harvey Nicks Leeds and it was pretty busy. We stood waiting for the lift, the doors opened and it was rammed full of people (no push chairs). Not one of the miserable gits got out to make space for the wheelchair just looked away until the doors shut and we had to wait ages for another lift. There were escalators less than a minute walk from the lift.

AIBU to think that this is lazy, selfish and awful and to hope if any of you are reading you feel ashamed.

well said dancing mustard. now if it was you, i'd carry you up on my back,

but once people start expecting, demanding and taking for granted, they can bugger off

Dancing mustard my friend was of the same view.

I just thought people were generally more helpful and nice than they obviously are. this is one thing that shouldn't have to be a battle.

People who use wheelchairs, who expect to be able to get around just like the rest of us, aren't "expecting" anything more than what they deserve. Lifts are there to give them an equal opportunity.

In my eyes, it's essentially like standing on an external wheelchair ramp, smoking a cigarette, and then when someone with a wheelchair wants to use the ramp, you tell them no, making them wait until you've finished your fag and then strolled off into the distance.

Cakeoclock maybe people were just trying to treat wheelchair users normally.

People are oblivious to most other people when they shop.

I've got a nice comfy seat while I wait for the lift to accommodate me and other shoppers are stood there straining with bags.

This might sound strange but it's also my responsibility as a wheelchair user to consider the able bodied too, it's symbiotic or at the very least it should be.

In fairness how do you know they could have used the stairs. It seems you saw they were not in wheelchairs and just made the assumption that they must be fully able bodied and able to use stairs. I do not use a wheelchair, but at the moment I cannot manage stairs/ I also do not see why they were being so horrible not getting out of the lift, your friend had to wait for another lift, just as any able bodied person would have had to do in the circumstances. Maybe they thought they would be patronizing if they rushed out of the lift, telling your friend since she was in a wheelchair she was obviously not as capable as waiting two minutes as an able bodied person.

ItWasABoojum

This is not personal it's an internet forum - at least your post was civil (unlike some rather infantile ones).

So, yes I / someone can choose to wait for a lift.

Perhaps I / someone did choose to wait for a lift.

Now you expect me / someone to get out of that lift in order to let someone else on?

Maybe only one floor after the start of the ride, with several floors to go?

off topic, and pardon my ignorance, but if a person is wholly reliant on a lift to get up and down, what happens in the event of a fire or other sudden evacuation. or some sort of mass -stampede

OldMac 'expecting, demanding and taking for granted' - awkward bastards, those so-called 'rights'

OP you are definitely NOT being unreasonable, and in fact you have tapped into one of my pet peeves of all time.

People should absolutely get the hell out of the lift, and make the rest of their journey via escalator or stairs, if someone in greater need of it ie: has wheelchair or pushchair, is waiting to use it.

My mother was wheelchair bound, and having had three kids, I know all about wheeling a buggy around. I cannot tell you the amount of times the lift doors have opened to reveal a pack of blank faced able bodied people with no need to be in there, gaping out at me (or my mother), with resolutely no intention of moving out to make room for us. I mean, what is the worst that can happen? They'd have to use the gasp escalator, or shock and horror their legs??!!

I have seen me get out of a lift to let a buggy on a few times....tbh I rarely use a lift unless I have the buggy in tow anyway....for the very reason stated above. I don't need it - other people do.

To stand there in a lift, and stare through someone in a wheelchair or using a buggy, and not get out to make space makes you an unhelpful, selfish, lazy sod.

A lot of people can't manage stairs Pictish.
Looking at people and you deciding they are able bodied shows ignorance.

Yeah yeah....but let's be honest and not use rare exceptions to the rule to score points. The majority are lazy bastards aren't they hmm?

Try putting this another way. What if it was a disabled toilet that able bodied people were queueing up to use as the ladies or gents was too far away or up some stairs that they couldn't be bothered walking up and a disabled person ended up having to wait an age to use it , would this also be ok?

Elevators are there for people who cannot use the stairs or an escalator. At my sons school there is a lift for disabled children to use and NONE of the other children are allowed to use it. They have legs they can use and therefore use the stairs.

OldMacEIEIO good question, off topic I know, shall I start a thread?

I know many disabled people who look able bodied.
If you're this rude in rl Pictish no wonder people don't respond to you.

NONE of the other children I should have said none of the able bodied children" oops!

God yeah, those people expecting to be able to leave a fucking shop when they want, or get to a toilet? How fucking dare they, huh? These wheelchair bastards demanding the right to, like, get places and shit like anyone else.

Tool.

Perhaps we should campaign for lifts exclusively for the mobility-impaired, then? Most lifts are for everybody to use.

Blue badger for lifts :)

Where do I sign?

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But they are though aren't they....lazy swines?

You can insult me if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that lifts are crammed full of people who don't need to be in them, does it?

please not that the op is not in a wheelchair I doubt very much if mot people in/using a wheelchair or pushing one, think they should have the right to use a live straight away, you can not compare a lift that if for everyone with a disabled toilet

Calling you rude is insulting you Pictish?
The last time I checked lifts are not only for people in wheelchairs and with buggies.
I personally have never had a problem with using a lift other than waiting and that isn't a great concern.
However the burning building is a concern.

" off topic, and pardon my ignorance, but if a person is wholly reliant on a lift to get up and down, what happens in the event of a fire or other sudden evacuation. or some sort of mass -stampede "

Several options are available to the building owner / managers

1. The lift will be designated an 'evacuation lift' with the fire precautions provisions and power supplies configured to achieve this.

1. 'Refuges' for disabled are constructed adjacent to each fire escape staircase to enable safe and orderly evacuation.

1. A 'management plan' is put in place to enable disabled people to be assisted to use the stairs.

In cases 2 and 3 the lift cannot be used for fire evactation purposes.

The choices for building owner / managers depend on many factors but must be based on a comprehensive Fire Risk Assessment.

Oh for God's sake.

Every time a thread like this comes up, or one about a naughty child, someone will inevitably go "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INVISIBLE DISABILITIES?!"

I personally, think it's bollocks. Not everyone in the sodding world can have one. Most people are just plain LAZY. And they are! There are people like that in the world. Not every criminal is a poor little boy who has mental ishoos and was abused by their parents, and not every lazy fuckwit has an invisible disability. It's a small percentage, and the minority should not be policing the majority about it.

Lifts are there for the disabled. Same with special roomy toilets and ramps and adapted cars and all sorts. They NEED to use them, most people don't.

It really is that simple.

You haven't responded to what I said though.
Are the majority of people packed into lifts, and staring through people who need to use it, lazy sods or what?