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to say this to all the teachers who are striking next week

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Memoo · 24/11/2011 14:18

As a parent I am 100 % behind you.

I really appreciate that you put your life and soul into your job and im sorry more people don't get just how hard you work for the benefit of our children.

Don't let the bastards grind you down!

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ShellyBoobs · 26/11/2011 15:59

because LeQueen, it isn't a race to the bottom...

Here we go 'race to the bottom' bollocks again.

Which union's propaganda is that line taken from? Enough people keep quoting it...

duchesse · 26/11/2011 16:16

Can I just say that many public sector workers like my DH for one have not had even an inflationary pay rise for 8 years? Our standard of living has probably halved in that time because most of our expenditure, like other people's, is in things that have risen exponentially.

DH is a scientist with 20+years and an international reputation. He has been offered jobs in the US earning 4x what he earns here. Even accounting for the extra healthcare and other costs of life in the US, we would still be markedly better off than here.

He has chosen to stay in his current because thanks to the extremely enlightened funding model that his place of work has evolved under, the science he is doing is cutting edge and their work is envied by all the US scientists he comes across. The current government have it in their sights however; if they get their wicked way, the place will be privatised, R&D which is its major strength will all but disappear (look at the forensic science service of which my sister was a casualty) and it will become third rate as all the scientists it currently employs move to better terms and conditions elsewhere in the world.

The thing about public service that many people don't understand, is that people who work for it really believe in it and are willing to sacrifice a little for what they perceive as the common good. I can understand that that would make people focused on their remuneration package uncomfortable.

And guess what, folks? Stop press! Public servants ALSO PAY TAXES. The private sector does not have a monopoly on contributing to the public purse (and I think that due to various available tax evasion models, the reverse may in fact prevail).

And we should all be so lucky to have such highly-qualified and dedicated people working on essentially not economically viable infrastructure that we all depend on. Unless we all want Tesco running the NHS and McD teaching our children, of course.

noblegiraffe · 26/11/2011 16:36

"Here we go 'race to the bottom' bollocks again. Which union's propaganda is that line taken from? "

I believe it comes from Lord Hutton's report into public pension reform which was commissioned by the government.

Lord Hutton says "Establishing a relationship of trust and confidence going forward will be very important. Ministers have already accepted the conclusions of my interim report that pension reform must not simply become a race to the bottom. "

ShellyBoobs · 26/11/2011 16:50

I believe it comes from Lord Hutton's report into public pension reform which was commissioned by the government.

I thought UNISON might have got in there first, before the Hutton inquiry was comissioned?

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oldenglishspangles · 26/11/2011 16:59

LeQueen you are such a cynic Wink Grin

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VivaLeBeaver · 26/11/2011 17:06

But knowing that I'll retire with 29k less in my bank than what there could have been is more than a bit annoying.

I'm not pissed off about my pension because I'm worried about not been able to have new cars and holidays when Im retired. I'm worried that I'm not going to be able to put the heating on, afford food, etc.

beatenbyayellowteacup · 26/11/2011 17:11

Thing is, I'm not actually against paying more if I'm honest. I do get that. I wouldn't mind some transparency about the funding though.

I'm against paying more, and having less pension at the end.

LeQueen · 26/11/2011 17:13

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NinkyNonker · 26/11/2011 17:13

Will RBS be losing their final salary pensions too?

niceguy2 · 26/11/2011 17:14

I'm against paying more, and having less pension at the end.

I do actually understand but mathematically the above is all but inevitable. The only way it's not is if someone else (ie. the taxpayer) funds the difference. And therein lies the problem.

LeQueen · 26/11/2011 17:15

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beatenbyayellowteacup · 26/11/2011 17:17

But are the pension funds (or some of them at least) self-funding? If its true that they are, then there is no difference to pay.

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beatenbyayellowteacup · 26/11/2011 17:18

I just want to know that there really isn't another way before I get sucked into this scheme. And that's what I'm finding frustrating if I'm honest.

beatenbyayellowteacup · 26/11/2011 17:20

LeQueen then it isn't unfair to bankers. So it doesn't necessarily have to be so unfair to everyone.

But if no-one complains about it then it will remain like this and people who can't afford it are going to be paying for it, when maybe, just maybe, it doesn't have to be like that.

organiccarrotcake · 26/11/2011 17:23

"The thing about public service that many people don't understand, is that people who work for it really believe in it and are willing to sacrifice a little for what they perceive as the common good." Hmm

Yeah, that's what it's like in public service - everyone's a martyr.

And everyone in the private sector's a fat cat.

Glad we cleared that one up.

ShellyBoobs · 26/11/2011 17:24

Will RBS be losing their final salary pensions too?

Why should they?

It's not a race to the bottom, is it?

VivaLeBeaver · 26/11/2011 17:24

LeQueen - I know that private firms are closing final salary schemes to newcomers but are they also changing terms and conditions for exisiting ones? My private sector friends say no.

And even if some private sector firms are doing then they shouldn't be - its wrong. Its even more wrong if the money is there to the tune of 32billion surplus in the fund each year.

VivaLeBeaver · 26/11/2011 17:26

I'm just going to come out hte NHS scheme. I'll be over £200 a month better on and right now I need that £200 a month.

The gov can pay me incapacity benefit when I go off with a bad back at 55.

They can sort me out with pension credits when I'm 68.

LiesDamnLiesandStatistics · 26/11/2011 17:30

RBS employees had their final salary pension schemes removed 5 years ago. Closed to all new members. Made more expensive for existing employees and terms made less favourable - along with all other banks, financial institutions, pharmaceutical companies and pretty much all of the private sector. Happened when Gordon Brown removed the ability of pension funds and trustees to reclaim the tax credit paid on dividends, making all the projections 20% short. Way before the "credit crunch". Public sector simply taking a while to catch up.

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