...to be fucking Horrified that my neighbour Killed His Dog??

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Was chatting to our next door neighbour who is ok (I thought), in his late 40's with a lovely family and his own consultancy business. He mentioned that his dog was incontinent and probably dying and how sad his daughters were about it, all innocently I said 'Ahh thats sad when will you be taking him to vets' he said 'I'm not paying any bluddy vets I'll take him out and shoot him' (he does have guns for hunting)...cue stuttering WTFS??? from me..

He was quite indignant and said 'With our last dog me and a friend took him to a forest and injected him with ketamine, he went straight to sleep its EXACTLY what the vet would do'
I said I'm pretty sure it WASN'T exactly what the vets did and bluffed a bit about knowing they used a cocktail of drugs for different things - which in fact don't know - can any vets confirm for me?

Anyway I asked him to leave my house, I wasnt being all 'PC gorn mad' was I??

Scared of opening this thread all day. Now I have and . Not read it all as I get too upset, but is there some sort of question over the dog he supposedly killed with ketamine that it might not have been dead but in an hallucinogenic trance? . Poor bloody dogs.

Obv not the same for horses as for dogs, but I have seen several horses pts by injection and several who have had a bullet. I know which I would choose and it wouldnt be an injection. Of course it's not as conventional as a vet, and probably a fair bit messier, but in the end, if I could take my own animals out to the field and shoot them rather than the stress of taking to the vet, then I would do it every time.
This sort of reminds me of when we had a pigeon at our yard and it was really sick, I mean really obviously ill, it didn't move away from people and you could smell the infection from feet away. Poor thing was really suffering. Vet not an option as no carrier, and 8pm on a Sunday evening. I proposed necking it, everyone else was appalled, and said I was cruel. They all went home leaving poor bird still suffering and at the mercy of cats on the yard. I waited until everyone had gone and then necked it. Not pleasant, but it got the job done and really it was the most humane and realistic option available to me.

all depends on the circs, when i was a child my rabbit got mixi, horrible disease and in those days incurable, the farmer from next door came and 'dealt' with it, i presume he wrung its neck, however, he was an old country-man, shot, fished etc and knew what he doing and how to do it quickly and cleanly.

I don't know enough to comment on which is the least traumatic end to an animal's life, but I'd be concerned in case your neighbour was a bit hasty to decide the dog was terminally ill, when in fact some medicine might have resolved a medical problem

Agree very strongly with roger. Please dont say i dont care about animals. I DO very much, but we all know what is the right thing to do at the time. Especially with our pets.

No one has answered my question. Why do you all care so much about dogs and cats, but you continue to be the reason cows, sheep, pigs and chickens are sent to their deaths, merely to satisfy your tastebuds? Please will you extend your compassion to those helpless sentient beings too? If not, why not? I simply don't understand.

My old dog loved the vet so it was a bit of a no brainer to take him to our local vet and have him put to sleep peacefully. He wagged his tail and licked the vets hand when he did what needed to be done.

Just writing that has got tears streaming down my face as I still miss the old lad.

If I had a dog hat was terrified of the vets I would possible ask my SIL's husband to shoot the dog in a humane manner, as I feel this would be a kinder ending for the dog in that situation.

OP - Your neighbour sounds a bit of an arse as his only interest is saving himself a few quid and seems to have no regard for his dog. The fact that he braggs about using ketamine just confirms that to me.

Have read your OP again and now realise this is the second dog to die at his hands instead of bringing them to the vets. He said he had used ketamine the first time and was going to shoot the next dog - I think this represents an escalation. One dog dying at his hands because of lack of money for vet bills or in the interests of a humane death out in the woods where the dog was happy might not be an eyebrow raiser, depending on the dog, but for two of them to die at his hands -- I think this man is a psycho and killing dogs is his hobby. I think telling you about it (and the excuse he offered) shows a worrying lack of conscience.

Did he say anything at all about helping his DDs come to grips with the imminent death of their pet? Is there a MrsDogkiller here? Do you know her? How does she seem to you?

NoHunIntended- however you look at it, companion animals are different. they are part of the family in a way that cows and chickens are not.

However, there are also laws in place which should ensure that these animals meet a humane end too.

I admit, I've never been shot in the head. But if I had to choose personally between a lethal injection, carried out by a qualified and empathetic person, or being shot in the head by someone who has no knowledge other than how to pull a trigger, I think I know how I'd rather go. If being shot in the head was so easy and humane, would vets and abattoirs not simply adopt the method?

I've been avoiding this thread for a couple of days. Finally opened it cos I've been drinking.

I've got a spaniel, love her to bits. She's lying here next to me as I sleep.

I couldn't bring myself to read the whole thread but on the strength of the OP, I think you may be being UR. Ending the dogs life out on a walk, while it's in familiar surroundings sounds preferable to me to a clinical death.

I couldn't ever shoot my own dog, but that doesn't mean that a lethal injection is necessarily better than what this guy is proposing.

I'd got for the shot in the head actually, joolyjoo.

I would have thought that issues of guns, ammunition and brain debris would prevent vets from pursuing this course (quite rightly). Forgive me jooly, but aren't you a vet? Would you really propose handling a firearm in a vets surgery?

But Jooly, the dog in the OP isn't a part of anyone on here's family. I do not understand why all these people are more upset about a dog they don't know, who has probably led a full and happy life, than all the other animals (cows, pigs, sheep, chickens etc) whose deaths THEY directly contribute to.
There is no such thing as a humane death for any animal killed for consumption. Just a term to make people blank out the barbarity they are causing.

Dogs are protected under the law, if you run one over you are required to report it to the police. It is surely illegal to kill one deliberately unless you are a vet. Shop your neighbour to the police.
I owed it to my dog to pay the vet to come and put her gently to sleep at home. No fear, no pain and I buried her in the garden.

My 18 year old cat was PTS at home today . We knew it was time and the vet came to the hosue as she wouldn't have liked the journey or being at the vets. It was very calm and peaceful. I cuddled her as she went to sleep. I can't imagine that being shot in the head would be more humane.

Well, obviously not in the actual surgery! but when I was a horse vet, if I'd stayed a large animal vet, I could have been licensed for a gun. Vets could then go out to someone's garden and shoot their dog in the head, I guess, if you all think it would be more peaceful. I personally think it would be like going back to the dark ages. And the people here who are saying they would rather their dog was shot- would you be there at the end? Would you be ok seeing your dog's brains blown about the place? really? What if the first shot didn't work? Would you be ok seeing your dog staggering around with a hole in his/ her head?

It's easy to say that it seems like the least stressful option, but it honestly doesn't seem that way to me. I put lots of animals to sleep- humanely. And 99 times out 100 it is very very peaceful, and there are no problems with stress. It is no worse for the animal than having an injection- would you prefer that vets dart-gun your dogs and cats with their yearly vaccination?

thebugkahuna- I'm guessing you have never been shot in the head either. Why do you assume it would be pain-free? fair enough, I have never had a lethal injection. But I have spoken to lots of people who have had a general anaesthetic, and they don't seem to have found it painful. Lethal injection is the same thing, just in massive overdose.

NoHun- as part of my training I had to do stints in an abattoir. I was surprised at how little fear the animals seemed to experience immediately prior to unconciousness, then death followed quickly. I totally understand that some people have a problem with killing animals for meat. I actually used to be a vegetarian until I started working with farm animals, and had been in abattoirs- I know that sounds odd, but it really wasn't the way I envisioned it. However, I respect the viewpoint of people who don't agree with keeping animals for meat. I have no problem with it. providing that there are standards in place, authorised, knowlegable people on hand to carry out the process and as little stress as possible for the animal (which probably wouldn't exist at all if not being bred for meat production)

This case, however, involves a complete numpty an untrained person with a gun, unlicensed (and dangerous) controlled drugs, and the only aim seems to be to save a few quid, which it seems he can afford.

I didn't say the shot in the head would be pain free joolyjoo - I said that I, personally, would choose it for myself.

Then you asked why vets don't simply shoot dogs in the head - and I ventured the opinion that that's probably not appropriate within a vetenirary setting - given the whole firearms/brain debris etc issues.

Now I'm not arguing that anyone should go around shooting dogs in the head here, far from it. But I don't know anything about this guy in the OP, and I'm assuming he knows his dog pretty well. My Mum has a dog who literally shits herself when she goes to the vet because she is terrified. My Mum would hate for her dog to be put to sleep by a vet. I'm not condoning what the guy in the OP is suggesting, but I can see why some people may prefer it over taking the dog to be PTS.

How would he know how to place a needle?

It's the attitude you describe that is the big clue. Reason....'not paying any 'bluddy' vets bills'.

Not.....i think I can help my loved pet have a calmer more tranquil death'.

It's money based. If you cannot afford to euthanase at the vets, then should he have a dog? Does he take his wife and kids into the woods to do their dental care because damn...thats 'bluddy' expensive too.

MIssbeehiving

Sorry to hear about the death of your pet.

I had my beloved cat PTS 2 Christmasses ago actually on Christmas Day. It was a peaceful dignified end for a very sick distressed little kitty.

the thing is does this guy "know his dog"? It is "a bit incontinent" and "probably dying" Incontinence can be traeted. Hell, my Oldboy was incontinent for a year and a half before I decided his time was up. Because I did know my dog, and I would only euthanase him when it was in his best interests. he had treatment for various things, and was well looked after. "probably dying"?? has he even taken the dog to a vet? Has he even tried to attend to its needs or discomforts? Obviously I don't know the full story, but this doesn't sound like a guy who loves his dog and wants what is best for it, and I think that is probably what upsets me about this most of all.

I have no idea joolyjoo, I'm sceptical about half of what the OP has said, tbh.

This guy says "my dog is incontinent and probably dying" and she says:

"oh, when will you be taking him to the vets?"

And then it's all bluddy, and money and ra ra ra and being cast out of the house. A bit far fetced, no?

It doesn't sound a very likely account to me, tbh. But I shouldn't have posted if I thought the OP was embellishing the truth, so I accept that I have no right to an opinion.

The thing is, I can understand people not wanting their beloved dog to die on a trip to the vets, I really can. No matter how humane the vet, or the act is. Some people just don't want that.

That's all I was trying to say.

But yes, if events unfolded as per the OP then () but Ok, in thos circs, not unreasonable to be critical.

Nursenic, I agree. It really is the attitude that is troubling here, plus the broadcasting of his intentions. What he is announcing is that he is not bound by ties of affection to his dog and is willing to take a life himself for a flimsy reason. He is saying that a dog is not worth spending money on and that it only lives because he deems it will until he says the time has come for it not to. I worry for his wife and children. (And for the dog, obv, but I think there is something else going on here).

I don't know about the ketamine, but shooting the dog is often done by farmers or hunters. as long as it is not 'target practice' (how vile) and the person knows what he/she is doing it is as humane as at the vets.

When i was 14 i had a saturday job at the butchers in town. I did well and enjoyed it, serving customers etc..anyway i was offered an apprenticeship which meant i had to spend time at a slaughterhouse.I went along with no real sort of idea where the meat actually came from. Cows trembled and cried and cried . Yes they cried and were terrified. I lasted about 10 minutes. Taking animals out of misery is very different. I wonder how many people would eat meat if they went to an abattoir.

This is a reply to jooly, really - no fear ? liar.