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... to think this might turn into an issue? - school run related

83 replies

boschy · 22/11/2011 09:08

Sorry, this is a long one! Our established school routine is that I drive my 2 DDs and a friend of the younger one - A - to secondary school in the mornings, and they bus home. DD2 and A have been really good friends since first days at primary, although my 2 moved to a different primary when youngest was in Y2. Current arrangement works perfectly well, never any issues, if I can't do school run for any reason then A's mum takes them - means they get in very early though, which is why I usually take A. So far so good.

At DD2's new primary she became best friends with B. A bit of a rocky friendship, B was possessive of DD2 and jealous of her having other friends. When they went their separate ways to diff secondary schools it was a bit of a relief to be honest - although I do like B, have had her here loads, nice kid etc.

B has now moved to our school, on a 'managed move' following exclusion from her previous school for general poor behaviour and fighting - they've just gone into Y8, so she must have been pretty difficult to get permanently excluded within a year. She's had 6 weeks out of school, so this is her first week at our school. B's mum is a single parent, and from primary school I know they struggle desperately for money. Sunday night we got a call - from B - saying could we give her a lift in on Monday because her Mum didnt have the bus money. Fine I said. this morning at 7am another call from B - can she come with us this morning. Umm, OK I said.

This is where I get to the dilemma:

On the one hand I dont really want to get dragged into having another child in the car every morning, having to wait around if she's late (she gets the bus to ours), just a different dynamic to the one I am used to. Plus, I am a bit concerned about A latching on to DD2 as her best friend again, given that DD2 has made lots of new friends since being at secondary school, has a nice group etc. I'm also concerned that if A's behaviour worsens again it could either encourage DD2 to behave badly or just rub off on her by association - this is worst case scenario I suppose.

On the other hand, it could be very helpful to B - the bus she would otherwise get to school is the one my kids don't get, basically because it is 'rough' - smoking, swearing, chucking stuff etc. My 2 categorically refuse to go on it, hence the driving. B could well get herself into a whole set of new trouble by going on that bus; instead she's in the car with a 'nice' mummy and 'nice' girls, no opportunity for aggro and guaranteed arrival at school on time every day.

So it works for B; it doesnt necessarily cause me a problem - at the moment - but I do feel slightly as if it is becoming a fait accompli, and I dont like that the child (rather than mum) phones to ask for the lift - because I cant really say 'no' to a 12 year old who I know has had a hard time at one school and needs to get herself sorted at the new one.

Arrgh! AIBU to be worried, or do I just suck it up until something goes wrong?

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bucksmum · 22/11/2011 10:39

If the child is on a "managed move" then she will have been given a bus pass which will be paid for by the LEA or they will arrange a taxi.

eaglewings · 22/11/2011 10:44

It's possible your DD's could shed some light
Also agree about managed move and bus pass, coul well be possible she has this but is not wanting to use it

tigerandtabs · 22/11/2011 10:44

I think she clearly needs help and it would be a kind thing to do to take her to school when you are going and as long as she is at the house by the agreed time and no phone calls in the mornings. I would also talk to your DD2 to explain your concerns about the friendship becoming a problem so that she knows you are not trying to force them together, and it may be worth speaking to the head of year, explaining what you are doing for B but that you do not want the friendship to become a problem or to put pressure on DD2's new friendships. That way, the school can avoid your DD2 and B being deliberately put together in classes/group work etc etc (which they may be inclined to do if they see the girls coming into school together each day, since with B's history presumably special attention is being paid to her and someone will surely notice?).

boschy · 22/11/2011 10:45

bucksmum I did not know that. I will definitely speak to someone at school today then. Of course she may prefer to come with us - friendly faces on the way in, not having to go all on her own etc, and that's fine, but it puts a different picture on things I guess.

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DamselInDisarray · 22/11/2011 10:53

I think B does just want to come with you. If she had no bus money, she wouldn't be able to get the bus to your house anyway. So she's choosing to get the bus to yours instead. It's probably worth phoning the school to explain that B is having trouble getting to school etc, and let them sort it out for her.

Ohforfoxsake · 22/11/2011 10:55

This all seems a bit complicated, and it could get really tricky in the future.

I think you should speak to B's mum and tell her you are happy to give B a lift when she needs it, and when you are able to. I wonder if B is being given the bus fare, but spending it elsewhere? Find out what the transport arrangements are with the school too.

As you are worried, I think you need to be clear - and make it clear to everyone involved - what you are happy with, and what you can and can't do as you are doing most of the taxi-ing. That way everyone benefits.

It's very kind of you to do this, and you are obviously happy to, but if I were either A or B's mum I wouldn't want you to be worrying.

HecateGoddessOfTheNight · 22/11/2011 10:55

Are you sure that the mum isn't giving her bus money? If the child is calling you herself, how do you know that she isn't being given the money, pocketing it and getting a ride with you?

(sorry if you've already said that you have spoken to the mum and know this from her directly and I've missed it)

daytoday · 22/11/2011 11:00

I think you should probably speak to the school. If the child can't get to school that is a problem.

I feel terrifically sad for the little girl. Like you say, if the problems are due to depression etc, maybe the school need to work with the family to make the practicalities of her getting to school a little easier. Not saying the mum is a 'bad mum' but it does sound like this little girl could benefit from some close mentoring.

Acinonyx · 22/11/2011 11:11

I wonder if the mum has encorouged her to come with you in order to settle in with nice friends at the new school. It seems unlikely that the mum wouldn't know about this.

Appuskidu · 22/11/2011 11:15

Sorry-I'm confused. I thought the mum was phoneing you-is it the daughter herself then? I wouldn't be giving anyone a lift without their mum knowing. You need to speak to her mum to find out what's going on.

boschy · 22/11/2011 11:22

Sorry if I havent been clear. The child is phoning us herself; on Sunday night she spoke to DD2, who asked if B could come with us, as her mum didnt have the bus fare to get to school and back (but maybe enough to get her here?). Then this morning I spoke to B as DD2 was still festering in her pit... So I dont know if her mum knows B is coming with us or not.

I think B wants to do well, wants to settle in and be a 'good girl'; both my girls and A are 'good girls', so it gets her off to hopefully an easier start.

I want to help B, but I like tigerandtabs POV about making sure DD2 doesnt feel pressurised. I've put a call in to school for an appointment/phone call today, and I'm up there for a meeting anyway so should be able to track down the right person.

Thank you all for your input, it is very helpful and I would have felt a bit of a tit about just talking to school about it straight away!

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HecateGoddessOfTheNight · 22/11/2011 11:24

How do you know that the mother doesn't have the bus fare? You have spoken only to the child. How can you possibly know that she isn't being given the money, cadging a lift off you and spending the money on sweets or something?

You need to speak directly to the mother.

Ghoulwithadragontattoo · 22/11/2011 11:25

Yes thinking about this the bus fare is a red herring isn't it. B has to get the bus to your house first. She also has to get it home from school as this is what your DD does as well. The difference between that and the full return fare to and from school must be minimal surely?

I think you do need to talk to the mum and find out what's up.

HecateGoddessOfTheNight · 22/11/2011 11:40

true. she might actually be scared of going on the school bus, and not just looking to save 20p or whatever.

or she might be trying to get the OPs daughter back as a friend

could be a number of things.

So important to actually communicate with the parent here.

boschy · 22/11/2011 11:47

Hecate and Ghoul, you are both right, and the bus fare thing is a red herring. Trouble is I dont know the mum that well - dont think I've even got her number any more in fact, and they live a fair way from us (but we are on their way to school). All I know about her is based on things she said in passing over a year ago, so for all I know her life may be wonderful now! although I dont think so.

I think I will talk about it with school and see what happens tomorrow morning if B calls again - which I suspect she will.

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DamselInDisarray · 22/11/2011 11:59

It's definitely a good idea to discuss this with the school too. There is obviously some issue here and the girl needs help, but you can't really provide this. Yes, you could give her a lift but it's not going to solve the underlying problems (whatever they are). The school need to know so they can work with the girl and her mother to make things better in general.

HecateGoddessOfTheNight · 22/11/2011 12:04

When 'B' calls - I assume she is calling from home? You can simply say "Put your mum on the phone please."

If she isn't calling from home, you can say "I will give you a lift today, but I won't be able to do it again unless you get your mum to call me"

gramercy · 22/11/2011 12:34

Thinking about it, I expect she just wants to team up with your dd. When starting a new school it's natural to cleave to who you know at first before finding likeminded friends.

The warning bell comes in that you say she was possessive of your dd. If this looks to be the case again, I'd definitely limit the lifts.

boschy · 22/11/2011 16:34

Well, I spoke to a (very senior) member of staff today, also a seasoned parent, who basically said "dont do it"!! I was a bit surprised tbh; their view was to protect my own DD first I should get out of this 'arrangement'.

Will continue to ponder, and I think may go down the line of "as long as your mum knows; as long as you are here at x time; and as long as you are behaving at school". Any breach of any of those and it won't continue. Will also talk to DH, tho he is slightly of the 'dont get involved' view while still seeing that B may need help.

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DamselInDisarray · 22/11/2011 17:13

I think I'd listen to the senior staff member here, honestly. They have access to information that you don't (and which they won't even allude to with you) and more experience of this kind of thing. You've informed the school and they'll be able to help girl B to get to and from school every day.

Ghoulwithadragontattoo · 22/11/2011 17:17

Curiouser and curiouser... Did the teacher explain why they thought you shouldn't get involved?

whoopeecushion · 22/11/2011 17:24

If a senior member of staff has told you not to do it, then don't do it. The school are obviously aware of things and you should definitely heed this warning. I've seen a similar situation and even though you don't have enough info to make a judgement for yourself, the person who warned you does and would have no motive to lie/cause trouble.

Littlefish · 22/11/2011 17:28

I think that you should follow the advice of the school. I agree with Damsel, that they have access to the full picture. Arrange to speak to them again and make sure they document the fact that B has said she does not have enough bus fare to get to school.

slavetofilofax · 22/11/2011 18:54

Say no. It's not your problem, but your arrangements and your dd is your problem. I would stay well out of it.

Eggrules · 22/11/2011 19:03

You have said yourself she has the bus fare to get to your house. Are you sure her Mum isn't giving her money? Could you talk to her mum and explain what has happened and the rules for your involvement? I would ask B for contact details so you can speak to her and TELL her to stop ringing the phone off the hook.