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to think this woman shouldn't be volunteering with this level of prejudice?

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QueenOfFlamingEverything · 17/11/2011 16:49

I am doing a preparation course to become a HomeStart volunteer (for anyone who doesn't know, that will entail visiting families with young children in their own homes to befriend them and offer support).

The course is all women over 50 (except for me), many of whom (but not all) are quite old-fashioned in their attitudes but generally open to discussion and not prejudiced.

On the first week, one of the women, when we were discussing reasons why families break up, said she thought it was 'very selfish of women to take children away from their father' and that she thought that relationship counselling should be compulsory, even if the relatonship was violent/abusive.

A few sessions later she said, during a discussion on abortion, that the feelings of the father should be taken into account and that he should be able to prevent the woman having an abortion and raise the child himself if he wanted to, as it was selfish of women to deprive men of the chance of fatherhood.

Then, this week, she said that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt because (and this is verbatim, I am not exaggerating here) 'there was a risk the child could be interefered with' Shock Angry

I (politely) disagreed with all the above statements btw. I cannot quite believe the course supervisors are going to let her loose on vulnerable families though... Would you say anything?

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desertgirl · 17/11/2011 19:25

Little bit of a tangent but - abortions are illegal here (UAE) (except on medical grounds) so the 'male choice' bit isn't so relevant; but a couple of years ago they brought in a law to the effect that a woman cannot be given/prescribed/sold the contraceptive pill (or any other means of fertility control not involving the man) without her husband's consent. Extra marital sex is also illegal of course......

I am not sure how much this law is actually enforced (enforcement of laws varies) but am fairly horrified that it exists at all. Those of you who believe abortion should be up to the man as much as the woman, where do you stand on contraception??

hardboiledpossum · 17/11/2011 19:39

LRD, I'm sure most people do trust their partners but sometime people break our trust.

desertgirl, I don't think a man should have a say in contraception. I don't think a husband has a right to demand children from his wife. I just think that in a case where a man feels that abortion is comparable to murder he should have a say. He shouldn't have to sit back and in his eyes watch helplessly as his unborn child is killed.

desertgirl · 17/11/2011 19:46

I'm not sure if they (the powers that be) see it as demanding children from his wife, or that his wife shouldn't be 'entitled to' have sex from him if she isn't going to allow that sex to be fruitful - more of a 'family planning should be a joint decision' than a licence to basically rape in order to procreate.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/11/2011 19:47

I'm sure most people trust their partners and sometimes people break our trust too. I don't see how it's relevant? You think we should take away women's autonomy over their bodies (which is what giving men 'choice' here necessitates) because some women break their partners' trust? Two wrongs don't make a right.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 17/11/2011 19:48

Besides which I very much doubt that any woman marries and plans to have a child with a man who is strongly anti-abortion, then decides on a whim to abort her child, does she?

HeresTheThingBooyhoo · 17/11/2011 19:48

hardboiled what do you suggest happens in that situation? who gets the say over whether the woman carries the baby or not?

justaboutstillhere · 17/11/2011 19:52

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gordyslovesheep · 17/11/2011 19:54

maybe that applied to ONE woman out of however many THOUSANDS have a termination each year - oh yeh quiet right then - ban them all!

seriously worraloadofoldshit

oh and she wont pass the course x

Pendeen · 17/11/2011 20:29

OP YANBU, however at I would applaud the woman in question for having the courage to express her views so frankly and also comment it is admirable the course is run in such a way that the members are able to do so.

I agree that, if her opinions are at odds with the spirit and requirements of the job then either she changes them or is asked to resign.

Peachy · 17/11/2011 20:30

Justabout I;pd ahve appreciated itt bh

Sometimes people Do miss things, I am far from perfect, but more so- a volunteer willing to stand up for what's right? bring it on!

mrsmaltesers · 17/11/2011 20:45

I am a HS volunteer and we had a similar woman on my prep course. She had one family which she was with for two mnths and then she left. Sortjng wheat frkm the chaff, etc etc. Hope you are enjoying the course. :O).

mrsjay · 17/11/2011 20:53

hello queen of im a HSV have been for a few years apart from this silly old coot are you enjoying your course ? anyhoo the co ordinators will be aware of how shes behaving and might not even pass her or send her to a familiy who is in any situations that she complains about , IYSWIM , she may be sent to a familiy who just need a bit of a helping hand , Shes being so old fashioned but I have come across women like her , they are v oldfashioned but are interviewed etc , , Im not sure what media needs to be informeda a pp suggested the old biddy is trying to do her bit the co ordinators will suss her out and not let her loose on anybody ,

Peachy · 17/11/2011 21:29

And anyway

HS needs more than just volunteers

ours went under through lack of funds, that happens. Fundraisers, admin support, trustees...

Not volunteer material does not mean can't do their bit, we could pretty much find something for more or less anyone (reference and CRB minimum obviously). And without those little cogs nothing else turns.

Peachy · 17/11/2011 21:30

I must say how utterly fab it is to see so many HS volunteers here.

it's been a few years since I worked for them but I will always carry fond memories of the charity.

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