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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to not understand the benefits of getting married?

409 replies

RitaMorgan · 12/11/2011 18:15

Putting aside the romantic and religious reasons or the big party/lots of presents (lovely as that would be).

What exactly are the benefits of legally being married over just cohabiting, for a woman with children?

DP very definitely doesn't want to get married, I would quite like a big party/lots of presents but am not sure if there is any point to it beyond that.

AIBU? Should I be insisting on a trip to the Register Office?

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KouklaMoo · 13/11/2011 15:34

Sorry, that probably makes me a smug married too.

RitaMorgan · 13/11/2011 15:38

I like having the same name as my child too - I never understand why women give their kids another name.

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cunexttuesonline · 13/11/2011 15:40

Thanks fastweb, that's pretty much what I thought tbh. I am married anyway, was just putting in my tuppence worth as a child of unmarrieds. In fact, my parents being unmarried benefitted my mum financially - we lived in a council house, when my dad left my mum kept the house on by herself for a further 10 years, at which point she bought it from the council (for not a great deal), she sold it on a couple of years later for a seriously great profit! :)

RitaMorgan · 13/11/2011 15:40

None of my friends with children are married, but all the children have the father's surname.

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Lookattheears · 13/11/2011 15:51

I like having the same name as my child too - I never understand why women give their kids another name.

I suppose lots of unmarried women prefer their children to have the father's name?

Another thing I love about being married, all of us have the same surname! Grin

I love being The Lookat's.

SwedishEdith · 13/11/2011 15:55

Not sure I get the obsession with registering the death. My mum didn't register my dad's death, my dad's sister did. Not everyone is in a fit state to do it.

nulgirl · 13/11/2011 16:01

I have got friends who are sah mums and aren't married. The mortgage is in their partners name and they dont know all the financial details. I honestly don't think that they realise the precarious position they are in.

If you are financially independent and have got everything tied up legally, I don't think it really matters if you are married. This is not the case for a lot of women though and they could get financially shafted if their partner dies or leaves them.

CowboysGal · 13/11/2011 16:01

It's not an obsession swedish it's just an experience I, amongst others, had that is relevant to the OP question. It was asked what the benefits of being married are. The ability to register and indeed make decisions regarding funeral arrangements etc goes to the Spouse before any other relative. If you aren't married you may find that you are unable to do any of these things should the worst happen

fastweb · 13/11/2011 16:04

Another thing I love about being married, all of us have the same surname

Unless you marry an Italian, in Italy, and live there.

In which case you are stuck with being the odd one out.

And tis not fair.

Trying to change a name here is like trying to get blood out of a stone. Something I wish I had known when I gave birth here without changing my passprt back from ex husband's surname to my own.

I'm stuck being S.ExHusbandsName forever, or at least as long as I want to prove that the woman named as mum on DS's birth cert is actually me.

I am the poster child for "find out the law, do not guess, cos you will kick yourself afterwards when surprise surpise it isn't just like (your assumption based version of) British law after all" when it comes to marrying foreign men.

Wamster · 13/11/2011 16:09

These unmarried cohabiting women are not being 'financially shafted' at all; they have chosen -as is their right- not to be legally tied to another person and the law respects their right to be single.

If they don't wish to marry-which is entirely their choice- they should get things arranged legally to suit their own particular needs.

Nobody else to blame if they don't.

NorksAkimbo · 13/11/2011 16:13

Rita it sounds like you just don't want to do it, so don't. Married or not, there are legal contracts involved, so pick which route you want to go down to tie those up. Going to the registry to make sure you are both entitled to the stuff you want seems easier, but hey, to each their own.

SwedishEdith · 13/11/2011 16:14

Registering the death has been mentioned a few times on this thread.

"Another thing I love about being married, all of us have the same surname!" It's still the father's though, isn't it?

NorksAkimbo · 13/11/2011 16:15

Oh, and it's not really about the big party, either...

nulgirl · 13/11/2011 16:16

I agree with you that they are entirely to blame but that will not make it any easier for them. I don't agree with unmarried people gaining rights automatically. I am going through a situation with my dh where I am starting to regret that we got married. I am the breadwinner and brought all the assets into our marriage. He is suffering from mental health problems and has developed a serious alcohol problem. Would have been much easier for me to walk away if I hadn't been married

Lookattheears · 13/11/2011 16:21

HA!

NO! It's mine actually! My name is very rare and his wasn't so we had mine.

So yah boo sucks! Grin

Wamster · 13/11/2011 16:26

nulgirl, sorry to hear that you're having a hard time but it's not exactly fair to extend the stress of a divorce to people that haven't even asked for that stress by getting wed, is it?

Besides, at least cohabitees don't have to go through the stress of a divorce. So that is a definite plus for them.

fastweb · 13/11/2011 16:34

I agree with you that they are entirely to blame but that will not make it any easier for them

I disagree.

There is a great deal of misinformation about.

So people think they know what's what. Many discover they did ot have an accirate picture until it is too late and they are up shit creek without a paddle.

Having propped somebody up in that situation I can't see the value of putting the boot in at that point and telling them it's their own fault as the bitter cherry on the cake of shit they are being forcefed.

I'm all for raising awareness so people can make their choices based on facts rather than commonly held assumptions, but until that awareness hits some kind of critical mass in terms of being very widly publicise d(to counteract any popular misconceptions) public knowledge, I don't think it follows that people are entirely responsible for any unforseen predicament they find themselves in.

My heart broke for my SIL. She openly and honestly loved and trusted (with no indication that this was a bad idea) for 11 years with no idea that a marriage would change things legally in any significant way. I'd give a lot to be able to go back in time and give her a do over. Even if she still chose to stay unmarried, at least she would have known what was coming.

Wamster · 13/11/2011 16:39

fastweb, Sorry, I don't understand. This is not about 'putting the boot in'. It's about people having the right not to be married just because they are living together.
If the unfortunate side effect is that people get hurt, then that is sad. But, ultimately, the rights of people to cohabit free of legal interference is just as important-if not more.

Why on earth would anybody think they were somehow 'married' just because they live with somebody? I don't get it. If this were the case, why bother getting married at all?
Don't people realise that marriage has a point other than a wedding? Confused

exoticfruits · 13/11/2011 16:46

There is a great deal of misinformation about.

So people think they know what's what. Many discover they did ot have an accirate picture until it is too late and they are up shit creek without a paddle

It is a bit like taking out holiday insurance, you don't know what it covers until you need it.
I am convinced that people not married don't go through it all with a toothcomb first!

SwedishEdith · 13/11/2011 16:52

Oh, well there you go, that's possibly the one thing we have in common then lookat - children having their mother's name

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BigBoobiedBertha · 13/11/2011 17:18

The people I really don't understand are those that get engaged and have no intention of marrying. What is that all about?!

KouklaMoo · 13/11/2011 17:36

Thing is Rita, I like having the same surname as my husband and children - I don't think that makes me a lesser person. You can get married and not change your name and you can give your children whatever surname you like - the name thing has no bearing on your legal rights through marriage. It was just one of the reasons I personally wanted to marry. We had always planned to marry anyway, and so yes, gave the children the father's surname. But that was personal to us; you have to do that if you get married.

fastweb · 13/11/2011 17:42

Don't people realise that marriage has a point other than a wedding

There is a misconception (possibly down to the misunderstood concpet of "common law wife/husband") that as social attitudes to marrage v co habitation have changed, that the law has kept up.

SIL's solicitor saw plenty of women who found their misconcpetion come crashing down when a relationship collapsed and their un married status adversely impacted them.

So yes sentiments along the lines of "only have themselves to blame" is putting the boot in. Especially given that the scenarios being discussed do not exist exclusively in the hypothetical.

Many people do not have ready, low cost access to accurate legal advice. Many people do not realise that commonly proported "truths" can be more assumption than reality and that they need to avil themsleves of legal advice to clarify what they think they know and understand what options are avilable to them, and what the shortcomings of each option are.

There but for the grace etc.etc.etc.

Given that it is primarily women who currently tend to carry the "reduced earning ability" can as a result of child bearing/raising, both long and short term, I'd like to see the profile of the legal side of marriage v cohabitation raised.

At least to the extent to which consumer rights have been made accessable to the public.

It's great that people don't have to trawl through small print to know about 14 day cooling off periods etc. Would be even better if the vast majority of 20 somethings entering adulthood knew that a shared address and and a child together was not necessarily more or less equaivilant to legal rights/responsibilities offered by marriage.

And roll on civil unions being availble to all, so those who do not wish to be married, but do wish to formalise the commitment to each other with legal rights and responsibilities, can do so by signing just one bit of paper, that one partner can't change behind the others back.

but it's not exactly fair to extend the stress of a divorce to people that haven't even asked for that stress by getting wed, is it?

Divorce is not that onerous (unless you both come from two differnt countries and running the divorce from a third).

It tends to be sorting out the practicals like residence/visitation of the kids, selling/not selling propery, divvying up jiont assets, working out who should get what of the jiontly bought stuff in the house, support for the wife/kids etc. that drags things out, gets acrimounious, costs loads in legal fees and generally stresses people out.

My no kids/no property "three country hell" of a long drawn out divorce, with lawyers from each country losing bits of paper and driving me batty, was a walk in the park compared to what my cohabiting SIL went through sorting out the banks accounts, debts, kids, property, support etc when my brother walked out on her.

If you want to aviod post split stress you are better off avoiding kids together and jointly owned stuff, than you are marriage.

Personally if my marriage goes bent (makes sign of the horns to ward off potential invitation to bad luck caused by mentioning such a thing) I am never living with OR marrying anybody ever again.

Not so much as a joint investment in a small box of choccie digestives TYVM.

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