To suggest that newborns needing to lie flat in prams ect is a load of old tripe?

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Every time I hear this referred to I want to jump up and down a bit, the notion that babies need to lie flat "for their spine/back "
Is it simply a bit of old marketing from a pram manufacturer that has become lodged in the national psyche???

I know this is anectdotal and not based on research but bear with me...

While I was pregnant a friend of mine accidentally lost control of her pram while out walking. The pram hit the edge of a kerb and tipped over. Luckily her DD was in the carseat portion of her travel system and therefore strapped in, so although was a bit shocked and upset she was fine. If she had been using the carrycot she would not have been strapped in and would likely have fallen out :(

For that reason when choosing my DD's pram I didn't even consider one with a carrycot, I just don't consider them safe enough.

Carrycots come with straps as well, don't they?

Mine has them.

OP yuou are getting confused.
"Is it simply a bit of old marketing from a pram manufacturer that has become lodged in the national psyche???"
you suggest that pram manufacturers are making us buy lie flat prams then later you say you never see lie-flat prams anymore. Which is it? Manufacturers can hardly be forcing us to buy lie-flat prams if nine are on sale.

I had lie-flat prams for all 4 dc's. I also had a sling as well which they all loved. Lie flat prams are fine but sometimes they want the closeness of another human and slings help them to snuggles which is great for them. They snuggle in the froggy position which is very comfortable and they develop head control. They are hunched slightly forward so if their head does flop forward it is supported by their mums body. I think whilst they are developing they need to be able to be in different positions so they can develop different muscles.

I still don;t get your concerns either

Do they? I don't know. Hers didn't, so I assumed they were all the same.

FWIW btw I do make sure I never have my DD out and about for extended periods of time in her travel system.

Lie flat are best. Odd OP.

Babies in carseats look crushed.,

My carry cot had d rings for straps
There have been cases of babies dying from suffocation in slings due to their position.

One of the benefits of the flat pram is that the baby can have monitored tummy time, while youre out for a walk, so in addition the ability to stretch is a good idea.

OP YABU.

Yes bruffin and those slings were badly designed, as explained in my 08.24 post.

Had lie flat pram for mine and would never have considered anything else for long walks and sleeps when they were tiny.
I hate seeing newborns hunched up in a seat type chair

YABU

I like to sleep lying flat. Why would my baby not like the same?

Bertie I have seen babies carried in normal slings in that carrybag position, their heads bent right forward in an unatural position.

Oh and OP yabvvvu and quite bizarre in assuming that parents who buy lie flat prams do so because they have been brainwashed into having an erroneous idea in their psyche!

I chose a lie flat pram because a lot of my time with newborns was spent walking around town, visiting the shops, library etc. I was sensible enough to realise that carrying a newborn in a sling, also carrying several heavy bags of groceries, a big pack of nappies- oh and with subsequent baby also holding a toddlers hand- would be extremely uncomfortable for ME and not good for MY back! Why try to juggle all that when you can lie your baby in a proper pram and stow heavy and bulky goods underneath, also leaving one hand free for a toddler?

You seem to credit parents with no intelligence op

I think someone has already mentioned that those 'bag type' slings are the ones that can cause problems because of the baby's position in them. I'm not sure how you could use a normal sling in a 'carry bag position' tbh. I have a wraparound Didymos, a Didysling and a lighter weight ring sling and all of them have allowed the baby to be carried safely and securely in the froggy leg position. I do see some people carrying babies facing outwards in wraparound slings even though it isn't recommended.

That's interesting call because I found the sling easier for that! I found it hard to push a pram and hold onto DS1 and I hated trying to manoeuvre it around shops.

Depends how much shopping you have. A sling is great for a quick wander round the shops. But I used to do the bulk of my shopping when out and about with my babies and I would have struggled to carry it all, baby or no baby, whereas you can fit masses of heavy stuff plus bulky nappies under a good solid pram, leaving one hand free for another child.

YABVU, for all reasons mentioned.

Hate to see young babies in buggies, they are not appropriate.

Had DS in travel system, which I assumed would be ok, as advertised suitable from birth. Now look back & wish I'd got proper pram.

We had a carrycot for DD which fitted both the pram and as a (certified) car seat (of course it had a harness!!), but DD stopped liking it at 4 months and started prefering the more upright position. Her pram is adjustable so we keep it in the more reclined positions rather than the more upright ones.

She was 7kilos by 4 months and holding her head up, so I would imagine the baby's development makes a difference.

We also used a Babasling which did seem to put her in a foetal position, but she was very happy in it (outgrew it in no time as well!).

like this but a shawl tied over one shoulder The babies head was bent forward and really didn't look safe. This was before I heard about the babies dying from the carrybag slings. It was also fairly loose and gaped open when she bent over and the baby nearly fell out.

Octopush- I think you're dead right. The op just doesn't get it, that some parents make a decision to buy a proper pram (often as well as a sling) because the pram suits THEIR needs for THEIR baby. What is a real mystery is why it bothers her so much, what anyone else does!

Ok, that doesn't look safe to me either! I would worry about them falling out when I bent down too. I don't see too many of them about though. Most people around here seem to use wraparounds or ring slings which seem to keep the baby in closer.

Callme, I can see what you mean but you must be superwoman to be able to push all that with one hand, hold on to a toddler and not run into every customer and display shelf in the shop on your way round! :)

Not really bumbley, my babies are teenagers now; I think part of the issue is that pram designs have changed a lot. Young mums these days seem to have cumbersome tank like things which seem to take up more space, even though they are often not lie flat, and have a teeny space (if any) underneath for carrying goods - so they end up with bags hanging off the handles anyway! Ive noticed some prams seem to prioritise having a cup holder ( presumably to stick your take-out latte!!) in the handle, rather than being designed to carry a baby and shopping comfortably!

Back in the day a pram was just a pram, plenty of space for the baby, and plenty of room for shopping underneath. Cant remember ever having any collisions- and I don't think I'm superwoman!