To suggest that newborns needing to lie flat in prams ect is a load of old tripe?

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Every time I hear this referred to I want to jump up and down a bit, the notion that babies need to lie flat "for their spine/back "
Is it simply a bit of old marketing from a pram manufacturer that has become lodged in the national psyche???

Yabvu and don't know what you are talking about

ReadingTeaLeaves I was always confused about how baby wearing could be a good thing but a slight incline in your buggy terrible.

This is just another 'listen, consider, make your own sensible judgement' situation.

Yabu. Have you researched this or is your angst as irrational as it sounds?

I am a HUGE advocate of babies lying flat in a pram - I had no idea about this with DS2, he spent HOURS every day in the car seat part of his travel system as I had a 4-hr a day bus ride to get DD to school (1 hr each way, there and back, there and back.)

Even now at almost 8yo, he has a curve in his back and is unable to sit up properly straight. When his physio first assessed him - time spent in a car seat was the first thing she asked. But back then, 8 years ago, travel systems were a fairly new thing, and no-one had told me that it was bad to leave them in there for so long.

I have made sure that DS3 has a pram that lies totally flat - after what happened with Ds2, it was VERY important to me.

And a good sling supports a baby completely, in their natural, froggy legged position. Very good for them for many reasons.

I was told max 2 hrs in a car seat as a newborn, I once saw test results showing a dramatic drop in blood oxygen levels in newborns when in car seats, Def not good.

I was always a sling devotee, neither of mine spent any time in a pram until they were over 6 months. A good sling, as Ninky suggests, supports their natural 'froggy' position and allows free head movement - my DDs were all over the place in theirs, not locked into one.

Yep, locking DD (15 months)into hers would be a blessing some days she is such a wriggler!

poster SecretNutellaFix Fri 11-Nov-11 21:43:33
Why don't you sit in a typical car seat position with your head dropping forward and see how you feel after a few minutes?

I'll bet it wouldn't be comfortable.

you mean the hunched over the laptop position?

A carseat wouldnt cause a curve surely? A curve is either genetic or caused by excessive strain or lifting on one side.
I would, as other posters have said, worry more about their breathing.

I don't hunch over the lap top

I sit upright, with the laptop on a small table at a comfortable height.

FWIW, I have done car seat training and they brought along a specially weighted helmet to give us the idea of what a babies head weighs in proportion to the rest of it's body. Lets just say that it was almost impossible to lift me head up with it on, and I found it difficult to take a deep breath.

Was not talking about car seats, was talking about prams ect.
The idea that newborns need to lie flat in a carrycot to be transported.

I'm not quite sure what you mean? If they aren't in a flat position, they are in a seated position as in a car seat, surely?

Plus, while lying flat babies are more able to stretch out and flex muscles, so why would you want to restrict a baby into a semi- upright position?

I was once very "unreasonable" about older baby DS and car seats etc. He was crawling / about to walk and the ILs made him stay in his pushchair during a two-hour steam-train ride and then pushed him through a picturesque village for an hour before we had to drive back home (four hours with traffic) so no opportunity for him to stretch his poor little legs at all and a FUCKING NIGHTMARE of a journey home because he was uncomfortable.

I was furious on his behalf and ranted all the way. But I don't think it is quite out of my system yet. Stupid fecking twats that they were

Winter is coming you have hit the nail on the head for me, when you look at the worldwide situation flat prams are rare.

WinterIsComing. How did your IL's stop you from taking your DS out of his pushchair?

YABU - or else infant car seat manufacturers could equally be accused of propaganda if it was thought that babies need to sleep sitting up slightly (some do for short periods if they have severe reflux, but it's rarely recommended)

lol,lol, lol OP, what a foolish OP. Mine were fine without a basinette between them. Not a hunched spine in sight. But NEVER say this to a newish mum, ever.

Not only are you unreasonable you are a very uneducated and ignorant . I suggest you go and do some reading on the subject .

xposts I was referring to your earlier post.

ABF - I wasn't there for that bit but was going frantic elsewhere with my DD.

At that point DH and I knew that DS was difficult / different (hadn't had his dx of autism then) but the ILs just thought we were spoiling him and that he should just stay where he was put (seat / pushchair) for hours on end and just suffer and not be pandered to.

I hope they aren't as unhelpful now?

Oh and because DS is autistic he couldn't be taken out of the pushchair to walk. We didn't know that then but we DID say, "we know our child and he just can't do that", but it was ignored.