To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

hecate don't put words in my mouth.

The poster in question cannot afford the children she has. Two of them are disabled.
I think it is perfectly legitimate to ask why you would actively create another life that was likely to be disabled. In fact, if you can't afford the children you already have ( she can't) then it's perfectly legitimate to question why you would create another child regardless. Because it will be the taxpayer picking up the bill for any child.

How you've extrapolated that into gas chambers is beyond me but there's nothing like a good old bit of MN hysteria.

When you choose to have children - the world does not owe you living, choose unwisely, have a child with someone feckless and someone else will pick up the bill. There seems to be a great sense of entiltlement in this thread. I want to be able to walk my child to school, I want to leave at 1500 to pick them up, I want to be able to earn enough that it covers all the things my benefits provide. Well we need to recognise - there is no more money left.

Of course people will be up in arms - there are no jobs they cry - but these excuses were coming out even in the golden years of employment.

We won't have a Tory one for much longer

Hahahaha!

In your dreams. I'd bet a substantial sum of money on not seeing another Labour Govt for at least a decade. So get used to it. The cushy days of free cash are gone.

oh gawd ,heres another one

Yes, I shall log off and kill my two disabled dc now, shall I? Their asd was not diagnosable before birth - and even if it was, does that mean they have no right to life?

I shall also log off and kill myself now, so as not to become a burden to society, shall I? If you consider that my disability was not apparent OR diagnosed until I was in my twenties...

My disabled children are wonderful: ds1 will also self support financially as an adult- indeed his primary school Head thinks may well be a millionaire LOL, we shall see- the younger one is just an absolute joy who enhances the life of everyone he is in contact with. After years of showing no ability at all he is suddenly developing a mathematics talent so who knows where that will lead?

I have a friend with CP, can't find link to news article about him- he ahs very severe CP, uses a speech box and chair, is at university, runs an internet design business and already employs 11 people in that at age 11.

Not that people's validity is measured in financial terms but some people seem rather confused by that so he is an excellent example of the fact that Sn does not equal - well anything much, people vary.

No one her, no one would ever want to see a situation where the disabled and carers are forced into work.

And I do not believe for one second that will happen.

Some people forget that Cameron is the father of a severely disabled child.

could we I wonder take the disabled children out of this thread. They should always be protected. However there are some who just choose not to work, no qualifications, childcare too expensive, dont want to move to look for a job, made a mistake having a child with someone feckless, cannot find a role that allows me to take all school hols off, and also allows time when my children are sick, lets me leave at 1500 etc etc. How on earth do you think working mothers manage....

You didn't fucking ask that. You asked

"And why, why would anyone deliberately take the huge risk of bringing a child they think will be disabled, into the world? I'm pretty gobsmacked by that. Why would you do that?"

Why would ANYONE

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Not why did you, in your individual circumstances, YOU, personally decide based on YOUR situation, to have more children (which is offensive in itself)

No.

You said why would ANYONE

So go fuck yourself.

And, to be honest, not ALL absent fathers are feckless, per se. Some just are on minimum wage, and cannot afford to pay ENOUGH maintenance when they split from the mother of their dc to cover ALL their living expenses and costs related to their dc too - minimum wage just doesn't COVER that. In my town, minimum wage barely covers rent on a single room in a shared house - my Ex-P's rent in a room in a shared house is £500pcm. And that's average in this town.

and before I go ....what Hecate said

Then maybe you shouldnt have chosen to have a child with that person, why should someone else pay for your choices...

Oh Dh has worked 80 plus hours for years, neither he or I complain: that is why when he has not even gone FT yet we are already making a profit. Just not enough, apparently.

hard work is not the preserve of any particular group.

LookAtTheEars I am praying you are wrong. I know too many people recently who have discussed contemplating suicide from sheer fear.

Someone will presumably come forwards wanting to employ ds3. Actually, i thnk everyone who voted Tory or Lib Dem and has a business should be forced to hire someone refused disability support at 16- they won't mind if ds1 decks them in a meltdown or ds3 licks them and then flashes at them, will they? ATOS don't care, you must have a physical AND LD to qualify as disabled after all....

Luckily ds1 will self employ. Or go to prison, bets are on. Lots of people with ASD in prison apparently.

oh do fuck off Rocky

Rocky is about to patent the wonderful 'is the person I am about to shag a tosser' test, enabling all women contemplating pregnancy to see into the future.(I was lucky to have a DH who stayed with me even after kids diagnosed80% divorce rate with sn kids...): luck, nothing more.

Usual - nice language. |What if I had said that to you....

I already HAD 3 of my dc before my situation changed so dramatically - DS2 was born, and within 6 weeks of his birth DD was diagnosed with asd, I was diagnosed with epilepsy, and some of DS2's medical problems had become apparent. In 6 fucking weeks. At which point my Ex-P was made redundant AND I was kicked off my degree course, as my degree was in an area that is barred by law to people with epilepsy. I was in my final year of my degree.

There but for the grace of God go all of you who believe that it could never happen to you - I never thought it would happen to ME either.

The thing is if I make a mistake or things dont work out I dont expect others to pick up the pieces!

Lookattheears:

"WTF do you think the children of the millions of families where BOTH parents have to work, do?"

Ummm .. we do both work as I stated early.

Lookattheears you are an idiot.

Feel free Rocky

'get valuable skills.

My degree and almost-complete MA?

DH's electrical engineering degree?

Our years upon years of good work experience?

There are 7 universities within an hour's drive of here: graduates and skilled people are in anything but short supply.

Well why on earth are they producing and leaving children that they cannot afford in the first place. My 27 year old brother earns more than some of these salaries mentioned on this thread and he can't afford to leave home let alone provide for children.

Are you dso well off you could afford disability care for your children if you had an accident Rocky that affected you all? Say a car crash? About £2k a week right now, for pretty moderate needs.

many people think they could afford it; most are wrong.

I doubt he lives here then Al, flats in letting agency for £300 pcm.

Because he had a higher paid job to start with before redundancy?