To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

That's the point. I do eighteen hours a day on four people, but the fact is, if they were in hospitals or care homes, they would be assigned one to one care. Ergo, I save, along with thousands of others, the government a bloody fortune.

One to one care in a hospital or care home? I very much doubt that unless they were in intensive care.

You can doubt what you like, that's the way it is in many cases.

Apart from which, in actual fact, it would be shift workers, and as I said, I haven't included, heat, light, food, petrol, etc. What's so difficult to comprehend? Carers save the government a fortune, I have no idea why some people can't accept that.

if my dd was in hospital she would need one to one care.
I should imagine the same for a disabled adult.
same in a care home

You care for 4 people who cannot sit up, feed themselves or wipe their own bums? Adults?

One to one care in a hospital just doesn't exist, a ward round in the morning and nursing to administer medication. That's all you get.

Seven yes I u derstand for you daughter.

ahh but that is what the carer has to do, when my dd is in hospital I do the one to one care, it will be the same when she is an adult(in a couple of years.) she will always need one to on care.

Oh ffs. I care for dh who can't do those things. I care for 3 dcs on the Autistic Spectrum. Again, why should I be justifying my existence to you?
I don't get why you can't live and let live, understand that people have genuine concerns about how the cuts will affect them and their families. How ATOS get things wrong so frequently. It's a frightening time for all, but again, as in any economic downturn, it is the most vulnerable that are targetted, both by government, media and people who have absolutely no comprehension of how difficult life can be for some carers.
I'm leaving this thread now, I've said it before, I don't have to justify my existence to anyone, least of all people who are simply unable to grasp the basics because they know it all, have seen it all, have various members of the family who have disabilities but still work, whatever. You are too closed minded to bother with. If I actually thought that there could be the faintest possibility of a discussion, I may continue, but it's not, it's a witchhunt, with a continual justify it, theme.
Cba.

We are not talking about a hospital though are we?

I though we were discussing day to day, long term care needs.

If we look at how care is funded it would cost thousands to care for DD's family if she chose not to do it.

Each child would have a sw/key worker and then there would be the staff employed to meet their care needs. These would most likely be agency staff so there would be an admin fee on top of the hourly wage.
Then there would be those to employed in the cleaning and catering and roles like activities co ordinator and the escorts used to accompany them to appointments. Then the drivers used to take them there.

Add to that the cost of running a residential care home. Hugely expensive.

The bill to the LA would be several thousand per child. Debate and pick it apart as much as you want - thems the facts.

I think the safeguarding whatsit would have something to say about an adult in a care home who saw someone on a round in the morning and for meds in the afternoon. I also think your average care worker would strongly dispute that summation of a day in a care home.

If this government persists with its running down of the system I cannot see how we will not return to the days of children being placed in long term care. If you think its costing a lot to support parents now, wait until you see the bill for keeping a several thousand children in residential care.

Exactly Seven

Even children with low care needs rely on their parents to provide it whilst in hospital. There are not the staff to provide the sort of care children had when parents were banned from the wards.

If you have a child with higher needs there is no way a hospital would be able to cope. There would be meetings and panics and scratching of heads as they tried to work out how to care for a child.

Who said that there was a ward round and a med round? If that is the case who do you think does the feeding, toileting, bedding changes, monitoring and everything else in the meantime?

Parents.

'One to one care in a hospital just doesn't exist, a ward round in the morning and nursing to administer medication. That's all you get.' true; my friend whose Dad was in hospital with Alzheimers and left without food now volunteers in a hospital just to people are fed and toiletted. You might shout Big Society but it has cost her the biggest contract she has, but she feels she has to in memory of her Dad.

JJKM All thos claims are legit- except Government won't mind. Why? Becuase they (and the ones before) know that SN childcare at affordable levels does not exoist- I study with a specialist ASD Nanny, she gets £30k per annum live in. That'll be affordable working in Tesco then!. They know Sn parents will not allow thier teen to be dropped off to an empty house and that even if they tried the LA transport would be obliged to refuse and contact SSD for neglect. They know that Sn parents care and will just stop eating 3 meals and having a life so their child can have some semblance of a life. they know state won;t pick it up serviecs becuase those have already been pulled- I have more than one ASD child but get no respite or support beyond the summer scheme all children can access with a key worker (not dedicated although luckily they have the sense to watch ds3: have ahd to pull ds1 after he injured a child on day one).

Now as a family we will never not work unless we are dropping; but this scheme removes our flexibility. For example rather than one of us care and the other work as we would be allowed, we'd rather do 25 hours each and share care. We would not be allowed, although financially we would be better off for it, and mentally the same. How is that sensible? In what way does that promote the equality agenda? Ideally DH would do his work PT 25 hours a week and cover mornings, I'd do some employed work and my SE work and cover evenings and we would work like that for ever due to the fact that Autism is not a curable condition. A year or two like that and we'd be off TCs for ever, as opposed to just one salary and stuck on them.

Taking away people's working options- clever move there!

ohdo, at least you can leave an NT child in hospital, when ds was in, I could pop out, even when he was young, with dd I have to stay with her all the time(lucky for me the one and only time she had an op, another family were in the same boat and the kids knew each other so we shared care)
the cost of residential care is expensive if I had to work(NOt on benefits by the way) I would have to put her into very expensive residential care.

why should I be justifying my existence to you?

because you said how much you saved the government. You can stand that up. or not.

least of all people who are simply unable to grasp the basics because they know it all, have seen it all, have various members of the family who have disabilities but still work, whatever.

err my mum was carer for my dad who could not sit up, feed himself, wipe his bum. he obviously did not work. DP has Crohns & hold down a socially responsible job.

and you dont think i have anything to contribute to the debate?

& you say to me "whatever".

Its pretty clear how much money is saved by parents caring for their children at home.

The figures are usually pretty easy to find on the internet. How much a LA pays for residential care per year for how many children.

Even in the bad old days of long stay hospitals, they were furiously expensive and wasteful with very poor outcomes.

On youtube there is are some episodes of 'silent minority'. I used to work at that hospital. Check out the episode featuring the children.

What is a socially responsible job?

Is that yet another term designed to further divide the deserving from the non deserving?

so does every parent save to govt money by not putting their own child in care?

Yes

Some of us save it even more by taking other people's children out of care. Do we get extra 'socially responsible' brownie points?

Clossaintjacques - A 10% rise in YOUR tax does not leave you scrabbling about for rent money in the same way as it has done for NMW earners like me - our tax went up overnight from 10% to 20%, so also a 10% rise - but a rise that took ALL of my food money etc. Bet YOUR 10% tax rise didn't stop you from BUYING FOOD. Without Tax Credits for NMW workers - we DON'T BUY FOOD. Surely you can see that 50% of £150K still leaves you with waaaaay more money to spend on things than 80% of £11.8K?! If not, it makes me wonder HOW you manage to KEEP a job paying £150K.

Huntycat I don't understand the relevance of your post. Of course I understand your point and I have never said that 50% isn't a lot of money. I said that if the taxes go up any more to say 60%, plus add on NI so I would be recieving say 35% of my salary it would be worth considering moving abroad.

FWIW I lived on a wage of £2.35 an hour before minimum wage was introduced for years. I was so poor I couldn't afford my bus fair and used to walk home from central london to zone 2 in order to save the 50p. I managed to work my way up and paid in full for my uni degree as a mature student.

Some of you seem to forget that SAHM claiming benefits who could work are not just taking money from the rich but the hard working poor too.
For that reason alone it is wrong.

DP work in education turning around failing schools. i would say that is socially responsible.

no i do a commercial job - i provide employment but i would not say it is a socially responsible job.

OhDo then lookat cares for her 4 children so not only is her DH is high tax payer but she saves the govt all that money

caring for an nt child is not the same as and sn one end of.
I have one of each , there is no comparison.

i did not say it was. i was reponding to OhDo's "Yes" to "so does every parent save to govt money by not putting their own child in care?"