To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

It IS getting a bit boring.

Everything that is wrong with society is always blamed on lone parents somewhere along the line. Wether it's anything to do with them or not. I'm only surprised lone parents havent been blames for the rise in energy and petrol prices.

This society has been likened to wildlife programes...where the weakest or oldest of the pack are abandoned or killed by the pack themselves. It's disgusting that basically we are behaving no better than animals if not worse.

This is the article Peachy first linked to in the deleted thread

SSD you may find this helpful First linked to by bigwheelsturning

Molepom it's called evolution.

You did get it a bit arse about face dear

Forced sterilisation Evolution
As my nan would say, You're a nasty piece of work.

No sweetheart,

Would you care to use google while you have your computer on? Maybe you could look up a few facts and then come back and argue properly about these cuts, the affect they will have and maybe actually apologise for that disgusting remark about wondering why ANYONE would have disabled children?

No?

Of course not..you are far too narrow minded to do that.

The measure of a civilization is how it treats its most vulnerable members, therefore outing yourself as quite the beast aren't you dear?

Molepom I didn't say anywhere that people shouldn't have disabled children.

Please don't put words into my mouth or insinuate anything.

Why is mentioning evolution wrong? Molepom seems to think that we have turned into a wildlife program.

No one else see the irony in that?

VoodooBarbie your Nan? I expect she was one of the great philosophers, should I have heard of her?

Oh god. This has descended into sarky uses of 'dear' and 'sweetheart'. Always the mark of an adult conversation.

I dont see irony Aloisee, i see an outright offensive comment. Evolution, what does that mean? Survival of the fittest.
Disgusting comment.
Maybe the face of my Ds or other Dc who have cerebral palsy and developmental delays or other disabilities would change your ignorant and hurtful views. Behind every statistic you read is a real person and a family fighting to survive in a climate of cuts and abandonment by David Camerons 'Big Society' Bullshit. It should be called the 'Fuck you all society', thats what he means unless your rich.
I'm in shock that anyone would even think of something as low to say on a public board.

Good of you to recognise my nan's philosophy, you may of heard of her but I don't want to out myself

I just can't comprehend this attack on the most vulnerable of society. I don't think the welfare bill will affect us much but that doesn't mean that I am unconcerned about others.

The people (who are nor as common as the DM would have you believe) who fiddle benefits will find ways around they always do. Genuine people who are trying there hardest to be productive members of society, whether they are ill, disabled, FT workers but low income, PT workers (full time carers), LP's are going to shafted.

Will you stop making ridiculous interpretations of my posts. I gave Molepom a word for her long rant.

There are some professional offence takers on this board.

Just remember that until the books balance, you can't feed the world.

I gave Molepom a word for her long rant.

Did you?

For the period June - Sep 2011

The employment rate was 70.4 per cent and there were 29.10 million employed people.
The unemployment rate was 8.1 per cent and there were 2.57 million unemployed people.
The inactivity rate was 23.3 per cent. There were 9.35 million inactive people aged from 16 to 64.

Vacancies
Vacancies are defined as positions for which employers are actively seeking to recruit outside their
business or organisation. There were 462,000 job vacancies in the three months to September 2011
www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_237932.pdf

There are not enough jobs the figures just don't work.

How many of those 462,000 jobs were advertised because they had to be, even though the employer already had in mind someone in house to take the job instead?

If you take those out, and the number of jobs advertised by agencies I wouldnt be surprised if that figure was much, much lower.

Agencies will sign you on to their books over and over again. I signed up with 1 about 4 times while looking for work, each time because I applied for a job they advertised through the job centre. I went to their interview, signed on to their books and then never heard anything about the so called job. Complaining wasnt any use as no-one cared.

If the evolution comment was not about survival of the fittest and wiping out the mentally ill or the most vulnerable in society what was it about. Was it a response to the deleted post?

If anyone mentioning "evolution" cares; Survival of the Fittest, as a theory posed by Darwin actually means that those species which have the attributes that best fit the current evolutionary changes will survive.
It does not mean survival of the strongest.
Just thought would mention it, apropos of not much.
Carry on.

As ever the debate on this thread has become become very polarised.

We clearly do need reform of the benefits system so that it is genuinely for people who cannot work or cannot find work.

However, if we reform benefits we must reform taxes. If we insist on people working for NMW then people must be allowed to earn NMW without having to pay tax and by that I mean that in the traditional nuclear family if one parent goes to work they should be able to earn at least 10k tax free to cover their living costs plus £5k for each child and another either £10k to cover childcare or the living cost of their DW/DP/DH if they SAHP.

The Tory party did promise to review tax and benefits and Ian Duncan Smith was put in charge of that but the whole reform has been dropped and piecemeal benefits cuts are being implemented.

We have to make it worth working if we intend to remove benefits and tax credits. NMW must by definition be the wage that is the bare minimum amount after tax that people can live on before requiring welfare assistance.

It is madness to tax NMW because it makes coming off benefits to go out to work simply a worthless excercise for many.

I agree morebeta

"There are some professional offence takers on this board" to give balance the professional offenders.

How many people listed as inactive because they are not in employment, not is education, not claiming anything BUT seeking work. Not all SAHM are at home through choice many are looking for work.

THE FIGURES DON'T ADD UP

Well stated, MoreBeta!

Good post Morebeta