To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

TillyMint - my point being Lookattheears would scrap cb for all as the feckless poor shouldn't have had the audacity to give birth in the first place.

'You don't understand why ANYBODY would bring a child that may possibly, perhaps be disabled into the world.

ANYBODY can become disabled in a heartbeat- a stroke, car accident, virus. Any birth is bringing a child that may be disabled into the world. People who think otherwise should be renamed ostrich and kept in a zoo.

So, Alouisee - Do you think that someone with certain special educational needs definately doesn't have a DISABILITY causing those special educational needs? My DD has Special Educational Needs. She has global development delay, she is partially deaf, she has hypermobility syndrome that causes her joints to dislocate painfully, she has two leaky heart valves that need replacing through open heart surgery when she is 16yo, she has epilepsy too - but a lot milder than mine, and she has also has asd. Will she be capable of working FT in just two and a half years time when she turns 16yo? Most definately not - she can't even get herself DRESSED without help in the mornings, and she is 13.7yo. Yet according to ATOS - because she can walk unaided and bend down to pick up a pencil - she is capable fo working FT.

THIS is the situation facing lots of people with disabilities, THIS is why we are scared.

Yes people chose to have children but people dont chose for their child to have sn's, nor do people chose to be in an accident and end up unable to work. I do think 'if people are capable of working then they should try and find a job' but there are not always jobs out there.

At the moment i am not working, mainly because my employer got rather pissed off about me having time off work to take my children (both Autistic) to hospital appointments and to sn nursery, they made it very hard for me to continue working so i handed my notice in and decided to take a couple years off to do therapy with by dd's (which has helped them a great deal). For the area of work that i am trained in there happens to be quite a few jobs about at the moment but none of them would fit around my dd's (school run, weekly hospital appointments, therapy etc..) and i'm sure if i went for an interveiw i would be turned down due to the fact i have a huge resposibilty at home caring for my dd's. Its very hard to find childcare for children with sn's, i would need someone expereanced in children with ASD (its hard enough to find a school with ASD expereance let alone a child minder).

At the moment dh is only working 20 hours a week (sometimes a little more if the work is there), he has MH issues which is why he took on a part time job rather that a full time one. We claim some beniffits and obviously the dd's are getting DLA. I would love a art time job as it would meen getting out of the house and talking to real people but its hard to find anything that fits around my life at home (show me a suitable job and i would take it).

Where are all these people ment to work?? theres kids leaving school and uni and unable to get work, theres people being made redundent, buisnesses closing, councils making cuts so where are these extra jobs going to come from?

DP has crohns disease. we are a high income household. should we any benefits?

I also never said we couldn't afford 4 children. We would have to go without stuff if we lost the tax credits but we would be ok on DH's wage alone.

But that's just not true, is it?

You couldn't possibly live on 16K a year, no matter how good you are at budgeting.

I remember the term "mentally handicapped" and had sort of forgotten it. But 21 years ao they certainly were not put into an institution. The people I knew lived at home went to special schools and eventually lived in "special communities" they were not asylums by any stretch of the imagination.

Lookattheears life is not that black and white.

Where do you differentiate between people who are recklessly having child after child and those parents who have not had endless amounts of children but who need state help because of how high rents are, energy bills are? It is absolutely possible to be FT working parents of one child with and be poor. Can you not understand that?

Can you not understand it is not just the feckless long term unemployed who will be hit by this, but hard working parents (of a small amount of children) who are trying to living moral and decent lives?

It must be nice living in your bubble where the poor are wrong and the well off are right.

DP has crohns disease. we are a high income household. should we any benefits?

Not unless his Chrohn's disease affects his ability to work or carry out basic functions, Tilly.

If you really think it's easy to get benefits, why not apply for DLA, which is an in-work benefit, and see if you get awarded any. Then report back here.

Oh, you're talking about her and her situation, are you?

So that's why you said "And why, why would anyone deliberately take the huge risk of bringing a child they think will be disabled, into the world? I'm pretty gobsmacked by that. Why would you do that?"

That's why you asked why ANYONE would do that, is it?

Cos you were talking specifically about her?

Yes. I can see that.

I often say anyone, everyone, everybody, all... when I am talking about a specific person or situation.

Everyone is a fucking bastard.

See?

Actually- it's rubbish that making things work = tory

I know of several very affluent people, some on MN who are definitely NOT Tories and very pro-Welfare state.

Poppycock. Popppycock drizzled in honey sauce and eaten by a raccoon.

My three have Asperger Syndrome. I'm going to encourage them to breed like rabbits to ensure there are lots of disabled geniuses about. Just like them, gorgeous, funny, caring and clever.
And with better manners than some posting here.
I'll also teach them all about Marie Stopes and what an evil woman she was.

Tianc yes of course it does but he still gets on and does it.

so how should it work for us?

If it makes things clearer DS2 and DS3 have physical disabilities, no learning difficulties. I tend to use the word disabled because it covers everything, apologies if this is misleading.

Yes, where is the job for someone with uncontrolled epilepsy who also has caring responsibilities going to COME from? Where is the job for someone with needs like my DD's going to come from? Where is the SN childcare that people need going to come from? In my (very large) town - there are TWO childminders who take dc with SN. One is full, with a 3-year waiting list, and the other gave me notice after one DAY because she couldn't handle a 13yo with the problems my DD has.

When there is a job for EVERYONE and the childcare to match - then, and only then, should something like this be attempted.

This STILL won't have any impact on single blokes that choose not to work as a lifestyle choice - because it is going to affect the disabled and carers and lone parents long before it affects the single bloke. The single bloke who can take any old job, with any hours, and any amount of travelling. Yet it is the disabled, the carers and the Lone parents that will suffer the most - or people like me - the disabled carer that is now a lone parent. Who, according to the DWP, cannot and does not exist, because I do not fit into ANY of their neat little tick boxes.

Alouise I worked at a large MH hospital when I was 19 so 21 years ago, we were in the process of closing down but still ahd some residents, most of whom had LD and had become institutionalised: people with an LD often ended up in MH hospitals, he ck we had one ;lady whose hand had 3 fingers and she had been sent away as a child and ended up there! Could not cope outside a hospital, ate with us nurses and carers each day but stayed there until she passed.

The units were closing but in their very last days. And you got to meet all the old nurses and patients and chat to them, incredible stories. I remember the unit I worked in actually transferring the last few patients from the 'Mentally handicapped hospital' very well.

Do you know that the DWP made me CHOOSE whether I was going to be officially a Lone Parent, a carer OR a person with disabilities...Because their computer refused to let me be all 3. Despite the fact that I am.

Really?

We're in our rags as a country are we? Cap in hand?

Why then are we spending billions on bombing other countries and pumping money into the failing euro that we're not even a part of?

Why when people who can't even toilet themselves are having care packages removed by local authorities because central government won't ring fence money to provide basic dignity can we all of a sudden afford that?

We're the same age Peachy.

So it doesn't affect his ability to work then, as he's still capable of getting on and doing it. So no ESA.

Does he have special mobility needs for his Chrohn's?
Does he need a person with him, to stay safe, clean, fed and warm?

If no, then he's not eligible for DLA either.

Truly Tilly, if you honestly believe DH could get benefits if he chose to, then apply and let us know how it goes.

Peachy - can I have some of your Poppycock drizzled in honey sauce eaten by a raccoon. And can I just be the first person on this thread to yell :

FUCKNUGGETS

Possibly, Alou- well a few months off (heck they're precious LMAO) but pretty much.

Hunty I prefer a FungalFucker meself.

Someone on the thread last night was wondering when the workhouses would be built. A few posts above it, the closure of Sure Start centres was mentioned. I couldn't help but make a connection.

Oh well, when they're eventually converted my disabled child and I might well live out the rest of our stone-breaking gruel-eating lives in formerly colourful and pleasant surroundings if we're lucky