AIBU to think people shouldnt be getting money for having children?

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i know it is is controversal but i dont understand why some people feel the entitlement to get money for having children and aibu to think it should stop?

I think that if people want children then they should have them but they should not feel they are entitled for some kind of monetary hand out for having them

I especially feel like getting money for being pregnant like the sure start grant, maternity grant, healthy start vouchers ect should not happen because if you cant afford to have a child why should the goverment pay you to do this? what about the people who do not have any children and choose not to or can not why should they miss out on multiple grants and vouchers when they are paying more and more taxes to support the people who choose to have children and then choose not to work?

• i have a dd and although i wanted a large family i could not afford to have more than one child so stopped but never claimed any grants ect because i did not want to be paid for being pregnant as it was my choice

We should give a massive 5tax allowance to women on over £100k as they are the ones we want to breed and massively discourage the poor from doing so. So now I shouldn't be allowed children because I am 'poor' I am 1 or 3 children raised in a 'poor' family, older DB has a very good job in Oz, younger DB part owns a successful pub with his DP. I am due to start college to become a midwife, which can be a very well paid job. Maybe not 100k, but enough that I wouldn't be classed as poor.!!

i cannot see anywhere where Xenia is talking about disability. she is talking about income.

i think she does some type of sales job

just re-read my post, 1 of 3 not or!

My DD might never 'amount to.much' workwise, but at least she won't grow up to be materialistic beyond all else and lacking in human decency

Xenia Wed 02-Nov-11 19:56:27
It' salways just surprised me. I don't know if there is more disability than there used to be or not. You would perhaps expect there to be less not more than there used to be.

I was referring to this

Hear hear, usual

we are more well than ever sounds more likely than more ill?

on "The Future State of Welfare" on BBC2 last week, a doctor was asked did she think there were 6 million people in the country too ill to work & she said no, and referred to her patients wanting to be signed off work she thought were well enough to work.

incapacity benefit is a way for politicians to lower the unemployment rate so the system is likely to allow more people the claim than actually need it because it will have been designed that way.

now politicians want to lower the bill tax, they change the rules and make it harder.

bill tax = tax bill

I feel very sorry for Xenia. She is lacking in compassion and it seems as though she is burning her bridges with the increasingly strident comments she is making.

What about all the people who get pregnant whilst using contraception?

I was on the pill taking it properly and still got pregnant, I gave up Uni, any chance of a proper, financially stable life etc to have my DD. A choice I would never change, having an abortion would have ruined me emotionally. Without sure start grant, healthy start etc I would have been well and truly stuffed. I use my money for what it is intended for.

I do however think that the benefits system should be used for those who need the help not those who repeatedly have children whilst on benefits etc. I also think that more of the help available could be given as voucher to be redemmed against relevent items opposed to someone spending their 500 sure start grant on something unneccasary.

hmm ok Im a single parent on benefits , have 4 dc , will very soon mov einto housing assocition house , Ds3 has sn .I am disabled .

So accoring law to xenia i should not be having kids and that they are never going to achieve

Ds1 at collage doing well and holding down a part time job

Ds 2 has set his sight on cambridge and according to his teachers it is very acheviable and he is well on the way

dd well she is only 8 so will just let her be a child

ds3 well as long as he is happy who gives a stuff

so according to xenias gospels my kids should not be born let alone acheving .

But you know what I am most proud of , is the way they are caring and compassionate and not afraid to stand up for what they believe in

Very sensible comments Daisy. I am glad it worked out for you and your DD.

I don't think it is fair when people continue to have children whilst on welfare.

Absolutely. The only people in this country who can have children should be those who can afford to stand on their own two feet. Obviously that means that there will be more children born in the north than in the south, which is OK because that will rebalance the population. It will also stop the south east from sinking into the sea under the weight. Of course in the rural areas, especially in the remote hilly regions, there won't be any children born at all because people spend their money on fuel, heating, and generally staying alive. But that's OK too because that will save the Government from funding those areas at all in the future.

i would like to see schools having better funding so that more children can go to school for breakfast club, after school activities, dinner.

this would help working families & families looking for work.

benefits could be adjusted downwards & the tax payer knows the money is being spent on children's welfare.

also better use of school buildings.

Alemci
Why can't people with disabilities have children whilst on benefits? Not all people with disabilities are able to work, they should surely be afforded the same chances as those able to work.

only read the 1st few pages but OP i agree with your 100%

im 22 been with partner nearly 6years, engaged, was planning our wedding, we both had full time jobs before dd aged 3.6, i worked partime from dds 2nd birthday. Dp and i decided to have another baby, my DS in due in 5weeks, i have just stoped working and hey guess what i just found out my Dp has been cheating on me!! But instead of leaving him and raising my new born son and 3yr old daughter on my own having to get help from the government and mayb one day finding a man who will treat me how i deserve to be treated and not break my heart, i shall stay with my dp so people like YOU do not judge me for being 22 a mother of two and on a benefit!!! Because the alternative of getting help from the government is EXACTLY how i had planned my life to turn out

Oh I see Dawn. I meant the people who could be working but don't and have large families.

I think it is fair enough if people already have a family and then lose jobs but I don't agree with people who use the benefit system to not work.

I understand about disabled people. don't have a problem with that as long as they are sensible. I know life isn't always clear cut

I remember a few years ago watching a programme about 2 blind people who lived in Bicester (remember this as i know the area). They didn't work and couldn't see (obviously) but she loved having babies. The children were in a state and the poor ED ended up looking after them and had no life.

Thank you for clarifying, alemci.
I am a carer now, but wasn't always. I have worked with people who have had no chances of being able to work due to their disabilities, many have brought up kids who are independent and working.