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AIBU?

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To be royally pissed off with Dd's so called friends and their bloody mothers?

76 replies

LoulouCapone · 29/10/2011 15:13

I'll try to keep it brief, but my patience is wearing thin!

We've lived in this house since Dd was two. The little girl next door is the same age. So obviously they are very close. They've always had similar interests and never ever fallen out. They're both very laid back, Which helps.

Since they've been at senior school they've both developed new friendships, some are with the same people, some not. They still spend a lot of their time outside school together though.

Anyway, one girl has taken a complete dislike to my Dd but a real shine to friend. Fine. I have always told Dd that not everyone will like you and you won't like everyone, just be respectful and polite and get on with your day. Unfortunately this girl is just plain nasty, and the Mum seems completely blind to it.

Incidents include - reducing Dd to tears on her birthday by ignoring, and encouraging 3 other girls to ignore her while they were at school and on the way home. Because, in her words, she didn't like that dd and her friends were talking about what they would do at her sleepover. Incidentally she was invited but doesn't 'do' sleepovers.

I did call the Mum on this occasion because it was extreme in my opinion, and the girl was made to apologise.

Calling friend to invite out, friend says can't because Loulou-Dd is here. To which she said 'can't she go home, she only lives next door?!'. Her mum was heard shouting in the background while girl sulked 'is that Loulou-Dd again, thinking the world revolves around her?' This example has actually happened more than once.

There are other examples, but I won't go on more ! Basically one of the big issues, and the reason my Dd is out of favour is because she has rules and boundaries. She has a set amount of pocket money, which she has to budget all her monthly activities with. Once it's gone it's gone. The girl is fond of shopping trips for no reason. These trips cost about £15 once travel and lunch are factored in, which IMO is a waste of money if you have no need to shop. She also likes to do activities like ice skating or swimming, but at 7 pm! So they only get an hour before they close, whereas I try to encourage Dd to do them at the weekend or during the day as better value for money. The girl doesn't have sensible curfews IMO! Blush she's allowed out until 9 (they're 12) then travels home alone... Maybe 3/4 mile. Dd does have a curfew, I don't let her have my debit card to go shopping, she does chores, and has to spend time revising and doing homework. All very boring! Unfortunately mum next door tries to enforce rules, but the Dc's just play her up until she gives in. Also mums new partner is quite well off and seems to be trying to buy them, so no money issues.

So, fast forward to today. Mum next door asks if her Dd can stay with us so she can go away for her b'day. No problem. She'll bring her Dd over when they've finished an activity this Am, probably about 11. Next door Mum knocks at 11 to say her Dd is with the girl still at activity, girls Mum will drop off at lunchtime. Ok. We were still having baths and tidying, so no problem. But AIBU to think that actually she should have been made to come back?

It's now 3, and she still isn't here. Dd didn't make any plans because she was expecting her friend. What a waste of a day for her. AIBU to think its poor form for the girls mum to be seemingly encouraging it, and not sticking to the lunchtime drop off?

I really try not to interfere because I do think it's better for them to find their own way, but bloody grrrrrr!! Unfortunately because we live next door it's hard to get away from the friend, and in turn the girl. So how do I handle things today and going forward?

Sorry this has been epic but I wanted to put it in context and not drip feed.

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worraliberty · 29/10/2011 15:21

Goodness gracious it all sounds like a mountain out of a mole hill to me.

Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary for 12yr old girls, particularly two girls who like each other but happen to have been thrown together by where they live.

Yes, perhaps she should be here by now but you can always ring nextdoor mum and ask her to send her DD to you.

ChippingInAutumnLover · 29/10/2011 15:25

What a mine field growing up is :(

Today - yes Mum next door (especially knowing the tension) should have brought her DD over at 11 as arranged. She asked you to look after her, but she would have known your DD was expecting to have her company today.

I think I would tackle this gently from several different angles...

  • I'd talk to DD about sometimes having to ride the wave.
  • I'd talk to the Mum next door about the others still not being very nice to DD & about it being mostly because she has rules to follow and why you think they're important.
  • I'd talk to both the girls and saying essentially 'Make new friends but keep the old, one is silver the other gold'.
  • I'd consider giving DD a bit more money (if you can).
  • I'd stop being quite so concerned about her getting 'value for money' out of it and getting more 'joining in' out of it. It's hard because I can totally see where you are coming from (an afternoon in the weekend is better value than an hour in the evening) but it seems to be 'costing' your DD in other ways, so maybe it's something you need to try to put to one side.

Make the sleepover lots of fun Grin

valiumredhead · 29/10/2011 15:26

I have read the OP but am still not sure what it;s about or what the problem is, mind you I am easily confused Grin

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 29/10/2011 15:28

I think OP that you need to have a sit-down chat with your neighbour and have a heart-to-heart about it all. You're going to need to be honest about how this girl treats your DD. Make it clear that you and DD are still close to next door neighbour and daughter but that this other girl is not content to let the friendships 'be'.

It is poor form for not dropping the daughter off, I doubt that it's your neighbour manoeuvreing this but she's being used by the other girl and her mother to spite your daughter. Explain to your neighbour that you're not going to put up with this, that you and your daughter don't want anything to do with this girl but you still do with neighbour and daughter.

A heads-up to your neighbour might be all that she needs to see the problem once it's been highlighted to her.

LoulouCapone · 29/10/2011 15:30

Thanks for replying. I see what you mean in a way, but the other bits are not one offs, they're constant. This girl does something everyday to try to exclude Dd, and it's upsetting her and wearing for me. I'm not exaggerating either, and because they are friends and it's hard, she is just getting nastier and nastier about it.

For me today is more like the cherry on the cake than a mountain out of a molehill. Dd had to stay in yesterday to do her room and homework, as she's been at gym comps all week and I knew friend was coming today. Now she's missed an opportunity to do something with either her other friends or my sister.

I'm reluctant to call the Mum because I know it will cause more problems with dd and the other girl.

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SugarPasteZombie · 29/10/2011 15:34

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worraliberty · 29/10/2011 15:38

Actually why don't you leave it between the girls?

Advise your DD to send her friend a text asking where she is/how much longer she'll be.

That's if she hasn't already.

alemci · 29/10/2011 15:38

I would encourage your dd to make new friends and OTOH not to fall out with this girl but to break away a bit.

girls are horrible and they always do this where one is friends with both of the others and then they play one off against the other.

A long time ago I had a friend a bit like your neighbour's child and she was a bit like this. I dropped her and I think things went better for me after that.

Nowdays I see her from time to time and we still get on well.

essexmumma · 29/10/2011 15:39

I feel for your poor DD, it must feel like she is being used. I guess it's all part of growing up however I would potentially say something about the next door neighbour friend not being there on time when you are doing them the favour-maybe give her a call and ask will she be there soon as you need to pop out?

I agree with the poster who said let you DD have a little bit of 'doing it for fun' rather than 'good value' but I understand your reasons and rules. I was bought up that way and my DC's will be too. Your DD will grow up understanding the value of money an good friends. Maybe just let have a little more freedom.

Good luck OPSmile

LoulouCapone · 29/10/2011 15:47

Ah crossed posts. Dd is being really good natured about it, totally riding the wave. Grin

I do let her go in the evenings where she can, but I do point out that it's a waste, and Dd kind of agrees. She gets £50 a month, which she doesn't have to buy any essentials out of. So she isn't short of money, but as we live out of town, a trip to the cinema can be £20 with travel etc... So depending on what plans she has she does have to be careful. Her gym is expensive so she understands why I don't give her extra money I know Dh and my mum do .

I've tried talking to the girls and the girls mum. Unfortunately she is very much one for the quiet life, and her Dd just isn't handling it brilliantly. For example, last weekend was her dd b'day and they were taking Dd to a theme park. Couldn't afford for other girl to go so she stripped. Trip was cancelled because the neighbour Dd didn't want to upset her. Last minute party organised, only 4 people turned up as short notice. Birthday girl upset, girl blamed my Dd as because we live next door she had to go whereas it should have been her!

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LoulouCapone · 29/10/2011 15:50

*stroppped not stripped. Blush

I am very tempted to go out. Dd has had a reply to say they've gone shopping!

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myBOYSareBONKERS · 29/10/2011 15:56

I would be phoning the next door neighbours mum and express my " concern" that as yet she hasn't turned up and was all ok.....

ChippingInAutumnLover · 29/10/2011 16:00

Is the Mum (from next door) still at home? I assumed she had left already for her night away.

The other girl does sound like a nightmare.

I'd talk to your next door neighbour and ask what she thinks could be done as both girls are being used as pawns in this girls game. Cancelling her birthday trip because the other girl stripped stropped... why did her Mum let her do that? I'd have told her not to be so bloody stupid and easily manipulated.

Misschief101 · 29/10/2011 16:01

I'd get your DD to text her and say if she's not here by 5pm she can't can't over as she is going out. And let her go out and do something.

LoulouCapone · 29/10/2011 16:07

Chipping that's exactly the problem. The Mum is a soft touch and won't do anything her Dd doesn't want.

I've called the mum and said I'm a bit worried as we now can't get hold of her. She's calling the girls mum to find out where they are. Great!

I shan't be so willing to help in future.

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xmyboys · 29/10/2011 16:13

Definitely go put Smile

hocuspontas · 29/10/2011 16:20

The other mum probably feels she's doing you a favour keeping next door's dd out longer than arranged. I haven't read anything that suggests she's a 'bloody mother' Hmm

LoulouCapone · 29/10/2011 16:23

I'm just getting more and more cross. The dd called her Mum to ask if she could go out and the mum said yes. At 1oclock!!!

I'm tempted to tell them to poke off because I'd rather do something nice with Dd but the mum is miles away and I don't want to ruin her night or cause a massive fuss.

I'll have to practice this face Smile .

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clam · 29/10/2011 16:25

Well a lot of this sounds like "girl stuff."

But this latest today is just plain rude. You have kindly said you'll look after the next door DD. Sounds like the other girl is "tempting her away" so she doesn't come. Her mother should intervene and insist that she leaves and comes to yours as arranged. Tell the nextdoor mum that you have altered your day to accommodate having her DD and you're put out that she's not turned up. You're not a hotel after all.

clam · 29/10/2011 16:27

Why do you need to practise a Smile ? Why should they think that it's OK to abuse your hospitality like this? That way in life means people walk all over you. You're annoyed because of her rudeness. Why is it not OK to let her know that?

LoulouCapone · 29/10/2011 16:28

Hocus are you that naive or the other mother?

She knows there are problems. She knew there was an arrangement to drop the friend here. She didn't, she hasn't contacted me or the girls mum to offer to lighten the load for me. She knows full well my Dd will be waiting.

Both of the bloody mothers should have both been adults, put their feet down and said no, not this weekend we've got plans. Or arranged for the girl to stay there. At least then Dd wouldn't have had a wasted day!!

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clam · 29/10/2011 16:29

Or, suggest to the next-door mum that it would probably be better if she spent the rest of the day and overnight with this other girl as your day's been disrupted enough now. By all means smile while you say it, but be firm and assertive about it.

LoulouCapone · 29/10/2011 16:31

I don't want to make the girl feel uncomfortable, she's rude but I do think the mum should have stepped in. I'll save anything other than a smile until the Mum is home tomorrow.

That said she's still not here. How long do I give it before I tell her to stay elsewhere?

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ChippingInAutumnLover · 29/10/2011 16:32

Exactly LouLou, exactly.

Hocus - apart from anything else, did you miss this bit Her mum was heard shouting in the background while girl sulked 'is that Loulou-Dd again, thinking the world revolves around her?'

Kewcumber · 29/10/2011 16:34

can you text mum and say "i gather your DD is staying with stroppy friend instead of coming to us. If plans change in future can you let us know earlier." or call her and say that.

You don't need to be a doormat. You can be polite without being a walkover