to not believe she has no face

[moogster1a]

Listening to the "travellers" who are being evicted at long last and one of them said her sister has been beaten so badly by the police that she " now has no face left".
Another said the police set fire to a caravan.
These sound rational trustworthy people not prone to exaggeration.

i didn't know you could weld with a tazer. What a super multifunctional tool!

The traveller accent is quite distinct, though still discernably of Irish origin.

And of course the woman would have a traveller accent if her whole family etc does.

That site must have been so beautiful when it was a scrap yard. Tourists must have come from miles around to picnic there...........

And all the people who live in the area must have been so badly inconvenienced by the thought of " people not like us" living nearby! Not to mention

Looks like they have lost anyway.

"Scrap cars also don't tend to rob houses and throw shite all over the countryside"

nor do travellers. some criminals do though. you will find some of these criminals living as travellers and some living as settled people.

Do we think the protesters are a bunch of cowards (hiding their faces), or thugs just looking for an excuse (anarchism) to be violent?

I find the whole thing riveting & thanks for the cultural explanation of "she has no face".

"Scrap cars also don't tend to rob houses and throw shite all over the countryside"

And your proof that travellers do is????????

Shes watched MBFGW

and read the gypsy bashing threads on here

link to your stats showing correlation between travellers moving in and increase in crime?

Proof please.

Er, no. Half of Dale farm is actually legal

There is a travellers site less than a minute walk from my house and another less than five mins drive. No problems from any of the inhabitants, no increase in anti social behaviour, etc.

The only antisocial behaviour in this village is from the standard homeowner residents, the young blokes who get pissed in the pub and run round the village throwing up, fighting and shouting.

oh a gypsy thread, should be good fun. I wonder when it will get deleted?

I would like the police to evict the smug retired couples from Waitrose next please.

Bloody hell.. have some of you on this thread actually heard yourselves?

Sick. Just sick.

There are travellers (read travellers not criminals) near where my Dad walks his dogs. I have not noticed an increase in crime or litter since they appeared. They might have noticed an increase in the amount of bread they get through since my Dad started walking his bread-napping dogs there. They seem very reasonable, ameanable people imo even though their bread is being pilfered by a pack of greedy hounds.

I find it very sad that people take pleasure in seeing hundreds of people lose their home and community. That said, they built it illegally and the law should be upheld. I just think it's a shame it had to come to this and feel very sorry for those who have lost their home.

I can't believe the vile hatred some people on this thread are spewing. And you wonder why Travellers say they are discriminated against. If prejudices like the ones being spouted here are common, than discrimination is inevitable.
As for the accent: Viva your friend is not telling the truth. I'm Irish, and the Traveller accent is very recognisable to me as an Irish accent. But the Traveller community faces as much or more discrimination in Ireland as it does here, so it is quite common for Irish people to disown Irish travellers over here as not being part of our community.

there was an article in my local paper last week about the 40th anniversary of the formation of the housing executive in northern ireland. prior to the HE, social housing was allocated by local councils and it was entirely up to them who was given council housing. they were legally allocating social housing to single protestant people with no children whilst catholic familes were living 3 and 4 (families) to a uninhabitable wreck that had being listed for demolition. this had been legally happening for years and some catholic families took a stand and illegally squatted in some newly built council houses. these people were forcibly removed by baliffs. there are photos of elderly women being dragged out and thrown to the street, mothers with babies being dragged out too. this was all done legally. i'm not saying that squatting illegally on land is the right way to go about things. i'm also not saying that just because something is legal doesn't make is the right thing.

I have no sympathy with the residents of Dale farm at all, but I do think the raised crime rate areguement is an unfair one.

Some of them do commit crime, but I bet there are plenty of settled criminals that rub their habds with glee when a traveller camp turns up because they can commit more crime and the locals will look towards the travellers instead of them. I think there are probably a lot of settled criminals that take more chances when travellers are around.

I think this is a very sad situation and take no pleasure in the outcome. I do think that eviction was the right outcome but it is a great shame that it took so long to get to this point, meaning that children are being forced out of the only home they have ever known, and people have grown old and frail in those same homes.

However, the people who I do despise in all of this are the independent protesters. I would bet serious money on having come across some of those people behind the masks - an old colleague of mine specialised in representing protesters. There was a hard core of "professional protesters" who treated the whole thing like a game, the main aim of which was to cause as much trouble to the police as possible. They actively discussed ways to trick/goad the police into putting a foot wrong and had cameras ready to record it when they did. They didn't care what cause they were protesting for - only about causing trouble and anarchy. Some of them even protested against a minor breach of building legislation that affected no one and was a purely technical issue, simply because it gave them an opportunity to climb a big crane and refuse to come down. All they ever did was inflame situations - they never actually helped any of the people they were purporting to help.

If these so-called protesters had stayed away - and I know there will be some legitimate supporters and protesters there too - I suspect things might have gone much more calmly. It is easy to get all fired up and aggressive when it isn't your children or vulnerable family members there.

If you are not actually there, you do not know what is truthfully going on - and nor do I.