To trhinkl that it is madness to allow buggies on buses?

[mrsruffallo]

I think wherever possible (i.e older babies onwards) buggies should be folded up. I am so tired of these oversized contraptions being pushed through the aisles, banging passengers thighs and shoulders as the squeeze talong a narrow aisle. I have had my ankles knocked todday and somehow had to squeeze against another passenger along the crowded aisle to make room for yet another buggy.
Theworst thing I have witnesses was a wheeelchair user being denied access onto the bus because there was already a buggy in the wheelchair space. The buggy owner didn't offer to fold up and got off a few stops later.

Betelguese - have you had a bad bus/buggy experience?

That is two old buggies on buses threads bumped in quick succession!

our buses have buggy/wheelchair spots at the front of the bus do they really park in the asile on your buses ? our bus drivers are so damn grumpy they wouldnt allow that ,

I tell you what, Betelgeuse, let's ban buggies, wheelchairs, toddlers, teenagers, anyone with SN, and oldies, then there'll be plenty of room for us normal people, won't there?

No, no, InDulci, put the baby in the luggage space - or the rack if there is one :o

Absolutely all buggies should be folded as otherwise whoever gets on first has priority.

Last week, in the rain, I might add, me and 3 DCs could not get on the bus because there were other buggies on the bus. The driver just wouldn't let us on the bus unless we folded. I don't have a problem with this if it wasn't for the fact that there were people already on the bus who were taking up space.

YANBU. Where I live people get on with a buggy full of shopping and no child in it or with them.

Or they get on with a buggy, put the child on a seat and dump the buggy in the bay taking up space when the child isn't even in it. The child doens't pay a fare!

Definitely have to get my eyes tested.
Read this first as all as "madness to allow budgies on buses"

I tell you what, cambridgeferret, those budgies can get very aggressive if you ask them to move.

Surely the problem is the design of the buses rather than people trying to use them. Of course people try to use buses, that is what they are for. And nobody wants to go through the hassle of folding a buggy when it isn't actually necessary (even when it is strictly-speaking possible).
It should be unacceptable for a bus company to run non-accessible buses on any route - buses that can actually meet the needs of their passengers do exist, after all.

Where I live (not in the UK) everyone has massive behemoth pushchairs with huge wheels, to cope with the snow/cold. You can comfortably fit three, perhaps even four massive pushchairs in the space on the bus, or one or two, plus a wheelchair. And you just get on through the doors immediately adjacent to it, so no need to fit your pram down the aisle or knock the elbows of other passengers. It's quicker and more convenient for everyone.

Bus companies - especially those which have routes which have a high number of people with pushchairs using them - should be planning to invest in buses which can accommodate pushchairs AND wheelchair users too, rather than just sticking in a token wheelchair space that is difficult for someone to manouevre their wheelchair into anyway, and then expecting everyone to just get on with it. They should be looking at the needs of the people who are actually using their service, and planning the space allocation within the buses accordingly.

Yes CinnamonStar but more space for wheelchairs/buggies means less for everybody else.

In the case of wheelchairs - fine. So be it.

Not so in the case of buggies. If an unfolded buggy is making it impossible or even difficult for another passenger to board, down it must go, and I know - from experience - that that can be difficult. But it's better than refusing admission to the bus.

It doesn't really mean much less space for everyone else though. What would actually have been in the space before? - a couple of seats, or a (probably manly unused) luggage rack.
Making better use of space actually should mean more room for everyone (albeit more standing-room rather than sitting).
Of course I am talking about an ideal world . And ideally the service should be frequent enough that it is not rammed to capacity and having to exclude potential fare paying passengers!

How about bog off. How about everyone should be more considerate to everyone else, that includes you OP, and everyone that agrees with you, being more considerate in thinking that maybe mums with buggies, kids and shopping struggle too. Yes wheelchairs should have priority, but your and others shitty attitude is just as shitty as the people who don't consider wheel chair users.

Why can't everyone just be nice to each other ffs. Why does everyone think that their needs are more important and why is no one tolerant of kids and the difficulties that come with them.

YABU

at least non- buggy passengers get a seat , I bloody dont I have to spend 45 mins holding on for dear life.

FontSnob I try. I offer my seat - but not my place - when someone else needs it more than I do. But it's the sense of entitlement to a seat which pisses me and others off. If someone without encumbrances offers you a seat and you can sit down without folding your buggy (or blocking the aisle) well and good - Thank you does not come amiss. If not, not. Too bad.

But thats what I mean Andrew, I agree completely, we should ALL be considerate. Dont lump everyone with a buggy into the same band and say no buggies anywhere ever, thats ridiculous. No inconsiderate arses anywhere ever, that works for me. I'm quite sure that the person with the sense of entitlement had that before they had the buggy, the buggy didn't make them that way, they were always rude.

....I'm sure we've been here before with plane seats!

I just wasn't sure who the bog off was aimed at, FontSnob, and if it wasn't me please don't specify who it was. I don't think we disagree, well not much: if you already have a sense of entitlement get a buggy and watch it grow . . .

And you and I - you perhaps not at the moment if you have LOs but you in the future - will feed it every time we do the decent thing and stand up, and it's just too bad. We know we did what we should. I don't know about you but if I kept my seat while somebody with a child - on the ramp or in the hangar - struggled I'd hear my late mother's voice giving me a shellacking!

Oh no, Bog off not to you, was for the original title of the OP. I have no problem feeding someone elses sense of entitlement if it means that I know that I have done the right thing and the people without the sense of entitlement will be thankful of the assistance (just as I am when someone helps me). On the other hand, I'm also not adverse to saying, 'No, thank You' when someone doesn't say thank you.

I just get fed up of the complete intolerace that a lot of people have towards groups of people.

OP you are not being unreasonably at all, as someone who has had to battle on buses with a wheelchair I can tell you it is no fun

This is how I get my 2 SN children and double buggy on the bus if I have to fold it.

First I locate change or return ticket and put it in my pocket. Then I put my shopping, handbag and changing bag if there's room into the huge reuseable shopping bag that I keep stuffed in the buggy basket. I take my 3 year old out of the buggy, put reins on him and sit him on the step of the bus with the reins looped round the handrail so he doesn't escape. I dump the bag next to him and pick up my 10 month old. Hopefully someone has come to help by this point. If not I struggle to fold up the buggy with baby under one arm. I pay the driver, put buggy in luggage rack. I take toddler by the hand, push shopping bag along floor with my foot and collapse into nearest seat. It's inconvienient but possible.

YABU with your title of course buggies should be allowed onto buses.

Oh this is an old thread.

But keepinmind, i'm sure it's no fun with a buggy with a baby, a toddler and shopping either, I'm not trying to compare the two things and I agree that the wheelchair should have priority, however as long as everyone is mindful of one another then there is a place for everyone. So how is it reasonable to ban all buggies?

Good grief, YABVU, agree with Font above, can we not be mindful of each other - just a little humility? When you have a toddler who will not sit still on a bus seat, there is really no other safe option.

I'm mindful if someone has fat thighs/ankles to try not to bash them with my pushchair as I go up the aisle !! Its not my fault if they hang off the seat, maybe they should walk and get some exercise!

FontSnob, as someone who has had to use buses with both in my time I do understand, and there are a lot of people who are mindful and will move the buggies, it clearly says that it is a wheelchair space that can be used by buggies if not needed for a wheelchair, but some stupid people seem hell bent on being obstructive and rude, the ones that piss me off most are the ones who take their child out of the buggy but wont move it because it has their shopping on it, or the ones who's children are way too old for the buggy in the first place.

I have a non-walking 9mo baby. I have 2 older ds's that I have to get to school. By bus. In rush hour. You must hate me...

In my defense - I cannot drive because I had to surrender my driving license to the DVLA 8 years ago when I was diagnosed with epilepsy...