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AIBU?

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to think if you can deliver and collect your children from school...

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NoseyNooNoo · 11/10/2011 22:53

I have ended up class rep this year (how did that happen?) so I am now lumbered with trying to persuade parents to volunteer for about 50 sessions helping out at school this year. I fully appreciate that there are few mums who have no job and no children at home and to be honest it's no skin off my nose if the sessions aren't filled but what is getting my goat is the number of women who have said 'Don't you realise some of us work some full time?' in a some what patronising tone.

AIBU to be annoyed by this because a) I do actually have a job myself but as I am self-employed this in not necessarily evident and b) if they are there at 9am and 3pm it is unlikely that they work full-time either.

Thanks for letting me off load!

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BettyCash · 12/10/2011 10:49

Absolutely loved TheFidgetySheep:

Emphasise cv building benefits and work experience for retraining. Plus anyone who works shifts or recently made redundant. Target grandparents.

Approach the sessions as something people ought to be falling over themselves for. More quality time with kids, work experience, community-building, friendship-making, improving your child's education. Etc etc etc. Might not work but I think it's a good plan of attack.

ragged · 12/10/2011 10:49

Sneering tone sounds pants. Just say "Sorry, I'm too busy" and it's nobody else's business with what.

Around here a lot of people do care work, so maybe 4 hours in the day (helping with "personal care") and several overnight shifts/week. Can easily add up to more than full time and yet allow 9am & 3pm pick ups. Sleep fits in as and when, though, so not a lot of spare energy for other stuff.

I am a SAHM & have offered to help out at school & not been taken up on it!
But must admit I haven't offered very hard (only in DC's own classes, so far). I can't believe how full my time at home is with other jobs, though (& yes, I am typing this over a tea break!)

I don't help with the PTA though because I did a lot in the past and learnt the hard way that they are a bunch of nasty bitter twisted witches don't care if I help or not.

fluffythevampirestabber · 12/10/2011 10:54

Sneering tone, I agree would get up my nose.

But ...

Between me and ex-H we pick up kids every day (especially DD2 who is too far way from either house to walk)

I am a single parent.

I am at uni full time.

So, although I can be there three days out of four, the fact that I am studying hard means I can't volunteer for things like I used to.

Just because someone can pick up and collect at 9 and 3 doesn't mean they aren't working full time - they could be like me and putting in the hours at home or when the kids are in bed.

My evenings are spent doing revision and study, as are the days I'm not in uni. And I had to say to the head that although I helped out last year with some things, I can't do it this year because the level of work is higher and I know that last year I ended up having to squeeze in uni work because of commitments to school to do things like face paint and bag pack.

So on the whole, sorry but YABabitU

sunshineandbooks · 12/10/2011 11:32

There's never any excuse for blatant rudeness, but sometimes it's understandable. Though I've never said anything like this myself, I have often felt like it.

Sometimes to me it feels like the whole school system (and early years) is completely organised around the archaic expectation that there will be parent (usually the mother) available during school hours, either because she's a SAHM or she has a second earner type job that obviously isn't too important.

Parent's evenings (which are actually parent's afternoons), harvest festival, nativity play and numerous other similar events, fundraising coffee mornings, etc, quite often with less than a week's notice and a line at the bottom saying "you are welcome to take your child home after this event rather than wait for the 3pm finish". Great. Cue frantic calling to CM because I don't want my child to be the only child left in the room while everyone else goes home. As someone who is a single parents and relies completely on professional childcare to cope with a job where I am the only person in the company who can do what I do and therefore have to plan schedules accordingly, it would help enormously to have some notice of these sorts of things. I can usually take time off when I need to but it's notice that's the problem. Given that they probably do the same things year in year out why can't they just give parents a timetable of all these things at the beginning of the academic year?

And then the constant demands for money. I now give very little to anything because I am never sure how many more demands I am going to get and I have a budget that I can't go over. I could possibly give more but I have to keep some back for the 100 other requests I might get. TBH I'd rather they just stop it all and I'll agree to set up a DD. They'd undoubtedly get more money because these rather sad attempts at a reason for the money (e.g. your DC's self-designed Christmas cards or 'your child's poem in a published book' Hmm), in which the school get a 'cut' of the charge, is bound to be less (e.g. £1.00 per pack) than what a parent would give if just asked to donate an amount they could afford for no reason other than bolstering school funds.

I sound angry about all this, but I'm not really. I completely understand that the school are going on the basis of don't ask, don't get, and that if they constantly ask parents for help/money, some parents will say yes some of the time and then the school gets something. They're not expecting all parents to help all the time and I'm aware that putting that slant on it says more about me being defensive than it does about the school being pushy. After all, all this help is for the benefit of our children ultimately and I'd rather the school pursue every avenue it can (especially with the cutbacks in the education budget).

Maybe you caught some parents on a bad day. I bet most are actually quite appreciative of what you do, like I would be, despite my grumblings above. Smile

soverylucky · 12/10/2011 11:44

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NoseyNooNoo · 12/10/2011 14:15

I have found the responses really informative. Despite me saying that I had put notes in book bags addressed to mums and dads rather than asked any mums directly, don't care if people help or not, don't care if they work or not, it seems some have managed to read that I have bullied and assumed that I think all mums, irrespective of the hours they work or childcare demands should offer to help out.

I now realise that whatever I do, some will read into the situation what they like and be rude about it. Others meanwhile will be utterly charming about it. Some will think I am a SAHM nobody, some will understand that I am running my own business and have been lumbered with a crap job trying to organise the volunteering.

Very enlightening.

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GetOrfMo1Land · 12/10/2011 14:20

I agree with sunshine - there is always the assumption that women can just drop what they are doing to volunteer. Many of us can't.

Hungrydragon · 12/10/2011 14:32

Nosey

That's exactly it, it's more about personality than lifestyle choice how people react.

UsAndTwo · 12/10/2011 14:35

I will start by saying this is not aimed at SAHM with small children that are at home with them (that to be honest I think have the hardest jobs) or people who have any other daytime commitments (carers, training etc), but I noticed in my DS old class that the only people who volunteered to help were part-time or full-time working parents. Quite a lot of the SAHM I knew well and knew they spent their days shopping, reading, tanning etc (and this was from their mouths not my mis-understanding of what they were doing). They never volunteered to help in class, go on trips, arrange any PTA or class activities yet were quite happy for their children to benefit from the volunteer work we did. This frankly quite annoyed me in their expectation that someone else would do this - perhaps I am just a mug for helping out but some things just wouldn't happen without parent helpers and I didn't want my DC to miss out.

GladbagsAndYourHandrags · 12/10/2011 14:42

I do lots of pick up and drop offs often with other people's DC as well as my own, but I work full time. So to counteract people thinking I may not work full time, I moan about it loudly and often!

OP YANBU to feel annoyed at being sneered at. I do find that 'school in general' is pretty dismal re. working parents though and agree it may be defensiveness rather than sneeriness.

Bugsy2 · 12/10/2011 14:53

NNN what a grim task. Why do school need 50 sessions of help?
I dread being asked to help by the class rep - simply because I work full-time. To my mind it sounds really crap to just say no, so I do say "I'm sorry I can't do whatever it is, because I work full-time". I'd love to have time to do so many things, including helping out at the kids school - but I haven't got time. I hope I've never sounded sneery or up myself about working full-time - I wish I didn't have to - but it is my reason for not helping with day time school stuff.

Insomnia11 · 12/10/2011 14:56

I think schools as A LOT more of parents these days in general, than say 30 years ago, which is weird considering how many more households have two parents working or are a single parent household. Probably people think they get asked to do enough without being involved in volunteering. I am on the PTA and am a working mum, but I can understand it.

What I can't understand though is people not reading communications from the school- ok you can miss an e-mail or a note in a bag for a few days, but we had a new headteacher start this term, it was announced well before the end of term. But it was clear for the first few weeks of term that some parents didn't even know we had a new headteacher and were asking who the strange woman was in the playground Hmm.

I don't mind people not wanting or being able to volunteer but there's a difference between not being involved and not giving a shit. Also I don't like the parents who stand around griping and gossiping about school matters but would never actually try and do anything to make a difference.

CurrySpice · 12/10/2011 15:00

So let's get this straight OP

The full extent if your life / work / home commitments isn't fully apparent to others

But you can magically ascertain what everyone else's lives entail, moment by moment

YABVU

Why is there no rolly eyed emoticon here? Angry

NotFromConcentrate · 12/10/2011 15:01

YANBU regarding the sneering tone. There's just no need for such rudeness.

That said, I did send a shitty email to the PTA, who had issued a letter expressing the great disappointment they felt in the majority of parents. Information days and fundraising events are poorly attended, and we were basically asked why we didn't care about our children's school and their education. I politely pointed out that if they split the events between shool time and evenings, they'd have far better uptake because they'd capture parent who could attend during the day with younger childrenshift workers etc, and parents who work days in the evening. So I was a bit rude, but only because I'm sick to death of being berated for being disinterested and generally shit.

halcyondays · 12/10/2011 15:30

The thing with volunteering is that it should be something that you want to do, not something that people get dragooned into doing. What was the wording on the note that parents got? I think it depends whether it was a general request for parents who wanted to volunteer or whether it seemed as if there was an expectation that parents would do it?

EndoplasmicReticulum · 12/10/2011 16:06

I wrote to boys' teacher to explain that the reason why I turned up to not-very-much last year was not because I didn't give a shit, but because I have a job.

I can just about manage to get out for the nativity play, this year I got to sports day too.

Notfrom that is pretty poor of your PTA.

GooseyLoosey · 12/10/2011 16:09

I would object to the attitide too. I am the class rep for one of my dcs. I leave the house at 5.30 and don't get home until 8.00pm 3 days a week. The other 2 days I work at home but am able to do the school run. I also often work late into the night. God help them if one of them said this to me - I am usually so tired and stressed that I would be quite liable to deck them.

MillyR · 12/10/2011 16:20

OP, perhaps the issue is that many parents feel that there is an expectation that they should help out in school. There have been many threads on here in the past from PTA members etc complaining about parents not helping out who do not have a good reason not to help out.

Many parents thus feel they have to make an excuse rather than simply say that they are not going to help. That is why mothers will be informing you they work full time. I don't think it is intended as a negative response to you - they simply don't know what your thoughts are and so are offering a reason in case you intend to press them further (which they can't know).

People should simply respond to you that they are sorry, but it will not be possible for them to help, and them if asked why, simply repeat that it will not be possible. But many people feel the need to go into details.

porcamiseria · 12/10/2011 16:24

SAHMs, evil whores the lot of em

redlac · 12/10/2011 16:26

If you were the class rep with that attitude I wou,d tell you to piss off. I do work full time however I can do the school run then I have to make up the hours later that night

YABU

SusanneLinder · 12/10/2011 16:35

I did PTA's and stuff when DC's were younger.It was like being in "Mean Girls". Volunteering for school stuff now sends me running for the hills.

I wouldn't be rude about it though.:)

Hungrydragon · 12/10/2011 16:35

MUMs, evil whores the lot of em

SardineQueen · 12/10/2011 16:37

I don't understand why people think the OP is approaching people with "attitude" when she is just asking for volunteers?

Ormirian · 12/10/2011 16:42

"if they are there at 9am and 3pm it is unlikely that they work full-time either."

Not neccesarily. I do the morning run every day and the afternoon run once a week at least. I work full-time I just work around the DC when I need to. It doesn't make it easy to fit in volunteering in school.

LaWeasel · 12/10/2011 16:46

I have no idea what the OP is supposed to have done wrong here.

I imagine the attitude isn't personal, don't worry about it.

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