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AIBU about my brother and SIL?

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Bottleofmilk · 28/09/2011 10:43

ok, i will try keep it short and to the point, but not leave anything major out (drip feeding sucks)

so, DB got married a few years ago. his wife is difficult. everything ticked along for a while, and then went epic and huge fall out with DB, his wife and my family (parents, DH etc). it was all very traumatic and awful. so, state of play now is that my parents and DB are talking again, as are DB and I, but his wife is not talking to me at all, and says she hates me. I am actually ambivalent about that, on one hand, its not nice to know that someone feels that way about you, but on the other, i am just relived not to have to deal with her.

cutting to the chase! SILs grandmother has just died and DB sent me a message to say that it would mean alot to him if i would take the oppertunity to write a nice message to SIL about her loss etc etc, as she will probably appreciate it (his words).

so, my first instinct was to say no. on the grounds that i dont actually know the grandmother (or any of SILs family) and that SIL and i dont have the sort of relationship where this would be something we would do (before the fall out nevermind after it). and also because i think this is a manipulative (on his part, i dont think SIL even knows he has messaged me) attempt on his part to get me to communicate with SIL.

my second thought, was ok, if you take all the history out, what would be an appropriate respnse to finding out someone you know has a relative that died and they are upset about it. and i thought, well in those circumstances i would probably buy a card and send that.

but i am feeling really annoyed by the whole thing. which is probaly where i am being unreasonable. i just feel that its not appropriate for DB to tell me what my respnse should be to his news, and then couch it in terms of what would be the decent thing to do.

oh, god. i am being unreasonable arent i?

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2rebecca · 28/09/2011 13:01

She sounds narcissistic, her grandmother has died and her main concern (or/and her husbands) is whether or not people are sending HER condolance cards.
I like my brother's wife alot, and suspect that she has lost aunts and grandparents in the time I have known her. She has never mentioned these deaths to me though and would not expect cards from me as they are her extended family members that I have never met. If either of her parents died I would expect to be told as I have met them several times and spent time with them and their loss would also affect my brother and my father.
When my mother died I don't think I got many condolance cards, people who knew my mum generally also knew my dad so sent the cards to him. Why isn't your brother asking you to send cards to his wife's mum?
To me it is all strange and I would be asking my brother what he hopes to achieve by this. Why would it mean alot to him if you wrote his wife a card?

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Bottleofmilk · 28/09/2011 13:08

hectate, nothing actually! really, i know that sounds silly, but its true. my parents and i did have a big fall out with my brother, which she took exception to, but i didnt actually do anything to her personally. which is funny (not funny ha ha, but funny weird) because throughout the whole debacle, other than responding to her first email to me (which was really awful) with a short message to say that i thought it was inappropriate to talk to her about a fight i was having with my brother and that it was his responsibility to sort it out, i havent even so much as emailed her. she on the other hand hasnt felt the need to be quite so discerning. up until fairly recently felt more than free to keep sending invective filled nasty messages, tells all and sundry what a bitch i am, befriends people she wouldnt normally in order to give them the 'true' story of what happened etc etc etc. which is embarrassing as i didnt actually tell anyone when it was all happening as i was so devestated and fet ashamed and embarrassed about it all.

shit! here i go again! i do feel like i am telling tales out of school :-( but i havent really talked to anyone about this as it was all so raw and it does feel helpful to try and get some perspective on it all.

thanks for reading this far!

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ImperialBlether · 28/09/2011 13:09

Given that she hates you and wants nothing to do with you, I can't see why you should send her a card. I would keep away from someone who hated me.

What could be the outcome? That she starts to talk to you again? Do you REALLY want that?

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oranges · 28/09/2011 13:12

god this all sounds so scarily familiar....

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porcamiseria · 28/09/2011 13:16

send a card, get one that says "condolances etc" on the front, sign name, send. then put her out of your mind. I do feel sorry for your brother really, so for his sale not hers, send card

families eh!

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Bottleofmilk · 28/09/2011 13:18

must say i am relieved im not the only one! but honestly, dont worry eveyone, its none of you, my SIL isnt on here :-)






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HecateGoddessOfTheNight · 28/09/2011 13:19

No no, I wasn't suggesting you did anything Smile I didn't mean what did you do to her, as in actually DO Grin I asked what did she feel you did to her.

And from what you say, it seems that your crime was to fall out with your brother [boggle] and to not wish to get into a conversation with her about it.

You really are well out of it Grin

But I still think you should send the note.

Grin do you not realise how much it will piss her off, yet if she bitches about it, she'll look like a nut. Wink

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Shaxx · 28/09/2011 13:19

I'm in a fairly similar situation to this. I would just send an a card/email purely because your db asked you to.

She won't necessarily want to be best friends or seek a reconciliation after this but it will help to keep things civil when you have family get togethers etc.

Lifes too short and really it's so much less draining when people can just be polite and civil to each other.

I send my sil a text message or email now and then to keep things civil even though she has been really nasty in the past. She's still a bit of a cow but we just think she's immature and petty.
Now sil is pregnant and I would hate for her to try to exclude me or the family from my niece or nephews life.

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AlfalfaMum · 28/09/2011 13:23

yanbu.
I would just text DB back with, "Sorry to hear that, please pass on my condolences", and leave it at that.
He's unreasonable expecting you to write to her.

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Bottleofmilk · 28/09/2011 13:32

yes, shaxx unfortunately i am already there with being cut out of DNs life. my SIL deleted me off of her FB and her blog and has blocked me on skype etc etc (even though, it wasnt ME that was contacting her!) so i dont get to see pics of DN or have updates or anything like that. although, i DO always send xmas and birthday gifts for DN, didnt stop doing that during the whole thing (they dont send for DD) and since i have been speaking to DB he has been letting DN on the phone too, so she does know who i am i hope.

lol hectate! sorry, yes, of course thats what you meant. well, i suppose she feels that i have pissed on her territory as it were, and the ultimate outrage was that i said i didnt want to get into it with her, she took that to mean that i considered her inferior and unimportant etc etc etc, when i was just trying to keep things where they should be, whith my brother as it is him i have the primary relationship with (bearing in mind that i have only ever met my SIL twice). more fool me eh!

and yes, you see half of my reluctance to send anything at all is that i have no way of predicting what it will set off..... SIL is just as likely to use the oppertunity to kick off again as she is to suddenly decide we are besties. its so EXHAUSTING.

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Blatherskite · 28/09/2011 13:34

I'd go with the text too. I've lost all 4 of my Grandparents and no-one has ever sent me a condolence card! How odd that she should expect one.

I had friends like this. Very high maintenance and great sources of drama. My life has been so much calmer since I dropped them.

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Meita · 28/09/2011 14:02

I can just about imagine...
SIL: "This is so upsetting, Granny dying and all, I have no-one left anymore except you."
DB: "I'm here for you babe, you know I am."
SIL: "But how can I be sure of you? When it matters, you're on your family's side anyway. I'm all alone now."
DB: "You know that isn't true. I've always stood up for you, put you first."
SIL: "But you're always talking to that sleazy sister of yours. She treated you like shit and yet you're all makey-uppey with her and talking to her more than to me!
DB: "She's my sister. I'm just trying to be on normal talking terms with her. The only reason we've been working through stuff is, well, because there has been loads to work through!"
SIL: "I don't know why you even bother. She's just a bitch. She hates me, she hates that you have married me. She doesn't even care about you."
DB: "She's not a bitch! And I don't think she hates you. And why would she be talking to me, working through things, if she didn't care about me?"
SIL: "Of course she hates me. She won't talk to me. She'd never apologise. Even though I'm her brother's wife. She doesn't even care that she's hurting you, by not talking to me."
DB: (silently mulling over this, as it is true that the strained relations between his wife and his sister make life difficult for him)
SIL: "I'm sure she won't even send condolences about Granny. The heartless bitch. She wouldn't, for fear she might be seen as giving in first. You say she doesn't hate me. Why does she never reach out, then, make a first step? For your sake if for nothing else."
DB: (suddenly thinking it would be rather nice if his sister would find the largesse to reach out, especially since he knows that his wife never will)
"I'm sure she will! She's not heartless, you know."
SIL: "That just shows how little you know her. I bet she wouldn't, even if you asked her to. To her, it's all about being right. She wouldn't want to be seen to be reaching out, as it would mean some admittance of guilt. She'd never do that. Not even for your sake."
DB: "You're wrong. Sure, she can be well pigheaded, we all know that. But not when someone's died, surely. When you get right down to it, she's really decent, you know."
SIL: "You just wait and see. There will be no card forthcoming. You'll have to admit I'm right about her. It's always the same."

Later that evening, DB writes to OP. He really, really wants her to write to his DW, to prove her wrong. In composing his e-mail: DB: (Hmm I can't explain outright, she wouldn't want to help me in scoring points in arguments with my wife. I'll have to guilt-trip her a bit. But if she does write, yet sounds insincere, DW will pick holes into it and make it seem worse than if she hadn't written at all. I know: I'll ask her to write a proper letter, not just a card. Then DW won't be able to claim it was insincere. And I can tell DW that DSis is obviously making a huge effort and reaching out. That WILL prove DW wrong. And maybe she'll agree to get back to talking terms eventually...)

Ok, I admit my imagination has run away with me Grin but the whole situation just sounded so unlikely, I couldn't help but try to figure out a scenario that would explain why your (OP's) DB would try to get you to write a letter of condolence to your non-speaking SIL over SIL's grandmother's death.

(Also, I'm clearly procrastinating)

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Shaxx · 28/09/2011 14:09

Bottleofmilk you're sil sounds like a really horrible person. It's really low when you start involving the kids.

My db has asked me to text my sil from time time when he knows we're not really getting on. He's just a nice person and wants everyone to get along.
I can't blame him for that. It's horrible when people get bitchy and nasty.

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Shaxx · 28/09/2011 14:09

your sil, not you're!

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diddl · 28/09/2011 14:21

"DH is saying he thinks i shouldnt send a card and should rather just message my brother back saying, oh how sad, best wishes to everyone, and leave it like that."

I agree tbh-unless her GM brought her up?

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ViviPru · 28/09/2011 14:25

following on from Meita:

Scenario 1: OP returns the skype with words of condolence, no card. Some time later:

DB: Er, hi, BottleofMilk, I thought you were going to write to my DW?
OP: Well yes, you asked me to, but given the circumstances I didn't think it was appropriate. I thought perhaps you might have passed on my condolences from our skype?



Scenario 2: OP sends a shop bought card. Either:
  1. SIL recognises handwriting & refuses to open it
  2. SIL opens it and is incredulous at the cheek of the woman
  3. SIL opens it and sees it as an olive branch, starts a dialogue with OP via DB, but still fails to acknowledge how her own behaviours have led to this situation and communication breaks down




Scenario 3: OP sends thoughtfully worded handwritten letter. See outcomes 1 through 3 in scenario 2, above.



OP, damned if you do & damned if you don't. At least in scenario 2, you can maintain the stance that you did what you thought was the right thing with a level of appropriateness to this situation that you were comfortable with.
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ViviPru · 28/09/2011 14:26

Or, alternatively do what I did in a very similar situation which was absolutely nothing at all. That was 18 months ago and I've not heard from them since. Regrettable (in the true sense of that word - I don't actually regret it) but life is much calmer now.

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LydiaWickham · 28/09/2011 14:31

Send a card. Ideally one that doesn't say 'thinking of you'. Send it, ideally just signing with minimum message. Post it.

Next step ideally, ask your mum if she has SIL's parents address - suggest your parents and you send cards to SIL's parents, as they are the primary mourners.

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Dozer · 28/09/2011 14:32

YANBU, if someone cuts you out presumably that means that they don't want cards from you! Your brother is being manipulative IMO.

I wouldn't personally send a card to close friends / in-laws members whose granny has died anyway, or expect to receive one. I would express sympathy in person the next time I saw or spoke to them.

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Dozer · 28/09/2011 14:32

Also, sorry to be harsh, but how does a dead granny change the situation, which sounds really difficult?

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ViviPru · 28/09/2011 14:36

Dozer, it changes it in the way that Meita illustrated above. The dead granny is really just another pawn in the misguided (wellmeaning?) attempt at the DB to make life easier for himself everyone

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ViviPru · 28/09/2011 14:36

*by the DB

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RedHotPokers · 28/09/2011 14:42

Send a card, just sign it from you and your family. No need for a touching message.

Then rest assured you have done all you can, and try to ignore any fall-out that may arise.

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warthog · 28/09/2011 14:44

i would not send a card.

i'd skype him back and say how sorry you are blah blah blah. please send her my condolences.

end of.

that way you have complied with his wish that you wish her well, but you've not instigated direct contact with her, which is what you want too.

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Bottleofmilk · 28/09/2011 15:51

honestly meita, shaxxx, vivipru and everyone you have No Idea how much you have cheered me up!

that is EXACTLY how it would have gone!!! lol, have read this to DH now and he is rolling around laughing, you have all made a difficult day much much better :-)

to update, i replied to DBs message saying 'sorry ot hear that, have put a card in the post'

card i bought is plain white with a graphic design on the front and inside says, condolences on your loss, may you find strength in eachother at this difficult time. i have written in it Dear SILsurname Family, and then just put mine and Dhs name at the bottom.

that covers all bases i think!

OMG, as i am typing this now, i see a new message from DB, saying how much this means to him and its going to make sucha difference.....

fuckityfuckfuck. you did all warn me.

shit.

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