to be shocked at benefit cuts for terminally ill people?

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there are no words for this, i just can not understand this or any one who would condone this behaviour under the bracket of the country is in debt so everyone has to take a hit, the tories are making tough decisions.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14999755

Porca it's been uried in the welfare bill for ages now and just gets dismissed with either talk of fraud or 'we can't afford it'. It's the same system as all otehr disbaled people, not a separate one. But apaprently tehy've even moved the welfare debates to non accessible rooms (not sure how true that is, though have signed a protest circulated by a well known group against it)

Yes Peachy, and I have been equally sickened by the swinging cuts made to DLA. It's all appalling.

Appalling.

And you can reapply for DL (sorry should shut up I know) but the rules have been changed for adults and very few of the disabled people I know will qualify.

bizarrely from what I can see all this does it ensure that if you have a faker with a bad back and acting talent they will get help more easily than someone with an invisible disability and a sense of dignity or teh general inability to play the game that comes with many disorders. ATOS don't use medical hiostories, theya re not interested: it's hlaf hour, how well can you play it and theya re so bad that 40% of their decision are overturned at appeal.

This is horrible, distressing and inhumane as you have all said. I am also saddened that everything I feared about this party is coming true.

Is there a petition or online letter to ministers up and running to add name to yet?

Its not just terminally ill people that get Contributory ESA
The contributory benefit is paid to people who have paid enough National Insurance in the preceding tax years to qualify for the benefit.
Its the same as you can only claim Conts based JSA for 26 weeks.

If you claim Income Related benefit (ie have never worked/paid contributions) then the benefit will not be stopped

I thought it was bad when ATOS changed the criteria for people with epilepsy to get DLA - it used to be that 52 seizures a year would automatically qualify you for DLA. Now unless you have at least 104 seizures a year (that's 2 a week, everyone - it used to be 1 a week, how can you hold down a job having a seizure EVERY WEEK??). But this? This? This is just SICK. Taking money away from people that are fucking DYING. Just when you think the Tory cunts can't get any lower, they surpass themselves with vileness.

go for DLA mama yes you may have to reapply but you really need all the support that's on offer...definitely don't let them keep the cash you are entitled to...even if the system you are stuck in is rubbish never mind the ME.......

Not quite that easy- was reading on this earlier and IIRC if your partner earns £7500 pa you will then lose all right to benefit: I wonder how many people will be better off abandoning their marriage? It doesn't matter if you paid NI all your life, if after a serious accident some bod from ATOS places you in the 'work support group' and your aprtner earns over the limit you get zilch.
You will be regarded in the same light as someone who made the choice not to work.

Many tories are businessmen: I wonder how keen they would be on emplloying ds3 who can indeed pick up a pea but can't talk clearly, has an attention span round 2 minutes, is likely to strip or scream in the office or kiss rnadom passers by? Or even DS1 who has AS and I hope will work but just ATM is as likely to thump you as do your filing?

Carer watch and the broken of britain have some intersting campaigns; tehre are certainly tales out there of people who ahve died waiting for appeals to go through, or indeed have threatened suicide as a response to this and feeling like a burden on a carer.

It's fucking terrifying really. And with the vast majority of the media in this Country having such a far leaning to the right, there is no way to get the information out there.

So people will be committing suicide, and marriages will be breaking down, and people will be living in desperate poverty while everyone else keeps reading about Cheryl Cole's latest diet and how the government are managing to bring our National Debt into line.

Read this Nick Clegg you fucking WASTE. Talking today about being free from the influence of the trade unions and the media moguls. READ THIS THREAD YOU ARSEHOLE.

The welfare reform bill really has been moved to inaccessible rooms.
DLA appeals - 70% of ATOS decisions are overturned if the person had a representative from a Welfare Support Agency, such as CAB.
Terrifying.

"DLA appeals - 70% of ATOS decisions are overturned"

Something more people need to know about, rather than the flawed figures about how many people are originally told they are fit for work.

The whole system is a shambles, and bears no resemblance to what it should be.

Sancti I currently receive HR DLA for DS, and we were told that this award was until 2015. Will this be taken away from us/ reassessed ?

I am not surprised by these proposals. But knowing someone who is terminally ill but has no timeframe of death, it makes me very scared for those who need help, and should be the most entitled, will in fact be those who are left stranded. How very shocking that as a first world country we are prepared to leave our terminally ill in such financial detriment :(

Reindeer Probably not, they are going to start with new claims and gradually reasses everyone (they say some people are given it for life: who? I know people with severe quad CP with annual reviews! Poeple who get it for life are not going to recover)

I an quite understand teh suicide threats: I feel guilty as hell foir bringing the boys into this world and not being able to rpovide care all these days. The diea of ds3 on the streets amkes me physically sick and even though he's only eigt I am crying as I type but heck- what about the fraudsters eh. Lowest fruad claims of any benefit DLA (ESA imposible to know as relatovely new and IB was so different) according to government but

what can i do?

Fiona Pilkington will be only the first of a great many by the time this lot are done.

have reported thread i think, never done it before and asked for title change.

Good idea although as well as the peple who will be horrified do expect ghouls and maybe even the odd Sn basher.

But thank you for posting this. Sometimes it makes a huge difference just to see these threads ina ctive convos.

words just fail me

Thanks fool, I was really beginning to give up on it, but I have a charity that has agreed to help me send in a claim, so I'm hoping I might have more luck than I would have otherwise done. But to take this away from the terminally ill, because they've not died in time?
What kind of a fucking society are we living in where bankers walk away with millions in bonuses (for putting the Tories in power) and the sick, the DYING, are left to rot - I suspected as much when Dave "I'm a fucking royal" and George "call me an inbred undeserving twat as well" slimed their way into Nos. 10 & 11.

Fuck it - I'm posting this on my fb page.

i posted it on my fb page too. i worry for my dd who i receive dla for i got a claim through till 2018 but now as we all know that probably wont happen. she is under 18 so who knows but hey here's hoping that the next election a lot of people will feel the fear we do, and the added fear the bloody dying people are now feeling when they are getting letters thought their doors.
asked for a thread name change but nothing yet.

spooks at this current satge no decision ahs been amde for children; it may well change to a form of PIP but for now claims for those under 16 are safe. HTH.

carers is another concern- no commitment ahs been amde for it and the Government answer is actually (I just not) 'we don't know what to do with it'; there was a report saying that at £55 p w it ws meaningless; well it's very low certainly (were there not cuts I would campaign for a rise but tehre are so I am not IYKWIM) but that £55 is the difference between making it and not really. plus it carries HRP as well.

I had thought that anyone getting DLA needs to go through a series of checks. But if you are terminally ill you don't have to have a long assessment - although your Dr has to confirm that you are terminally ill and expected to live less than a year.

The Government don't do this to be caring. They do it because they know they are at risk of not getting assessments done before terminally ill people die. And that wouldn't look good in the newspapers!

I sympathise with everyone going through a hard time with DLA assessments. But just to say, I know people who have been given DLA for life.

The link says the benefit affected is CESA, not DLA.

I think it is utterly wrong that a retrospective change is being considered at all. This would set a dangerous precedent.

This government is showing itself ever more incompetent in how it deals with the practicalities of administration. A cuts agenda is, sadly, necessary - all parties agree on that - but one combined with incompetence is just dreadful.

DLA and EA are on the same legislation, Welfare reform. DLA ends for 16 up adn changes to PIP. fabbo ideas such as if you are in a wheelchair you are fully mobile- not as if you need an adapted car is it?

That bill is hard reading for anyone involved in the field- I know there was all that media coverage about caps being dropped for disabilty (IF you get the PIP which IMo is rather unlikely for a great many) but plenty of otehr bits affect the group- eg Mum cares for grandad informally (refuses to make formal as he's really quite unpleasant but he's 90+, has obvious ASD but just too old to have ahd a dx, plus the expected physical and mental decline): Mu can't drive so if Grandad's HB cut means he can't afford the rent (likely) hsi care will revert to the state at £thousands a month. Nice own goal there!