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to hate it when people refer to their duel heritage children as.....

161 replies

Parachute2011 · 16/09/2011 11:13

1/3 of this, 1/4 of that, 3/4 of the other. People are people and I hate to hear them being referred to like slices of pizza. If someone is going to be racist to you, they would ask if your grandfather was Swiss before insulting you.

I do think that the many cultures that are part of the child's life should be celebrated. But IMO referring to a child or adult as anything less than a whole person is insulting.

OP posts:
TotemPole · 16/09/2011 11:29

What's wrong with the term mixed race?Confused

Doesn't dual refer to 2, so what would the correct term be for someone who decends from more than 2 different races/countries?

kelly2000 · 16/09/2011 11:30

No-one has said that if someone is half english they are half a person, why would you assume that?
I refer to myself as 1/4 this, and 1/2 that, I am not saying I am not a full person. I would find it really patronizing if someone else told me I could not refer to myself in a way that I saw fit, as they thought it made me sound like a pizza. To me that is racist.

MillyR · 16/09/2011 11:30

I'm not keen on the term dual heritage anyway.

I don't see an issue with people describing themselves as half one thing, a quarter something else etc. Although I do think somebody describing themselves as part Roman is odd. How could you possibly know?

grovel · 16/09/2011 11:30

Scrambled race?

TotemPole · 16/09/2011 11:30

*descends

aldiwhore · 16/09/2011 11:30

mumblechum I'm still not entirely sure to be honest. Different people get offended by different things I guess. But I do remember one rather heated conversation on another site where it was deemed by some to be a no-no... I'm typically English and terrified of offending anyone, so more often than not offend people by not asking questions. We did the whole freshers thing of 'where you from' and I didn't ask the 'asian looking' girl because I thought she'd think I was being rude (my excellent most awesome asian/welsh friend mentioned above).... its something that really bugs me about myself.

startail · 16/09/2011 11:32

Defiantly overthinking it. It's just a quick way of explaining your own or your child's background.
Saying the far Easten DDs friend is half English simply explains why she ls come to live in a most unexpected corner of rural England. I'm really glad she has, mainly because she is lovely, but also because children round here are far too likely to associate ethnic minorities with cities and the problems there inSad

TotemPole · 16/09/2011 11:33

Although I do think somebody describing themselves as part Roman is odd. How could you possibly know?

Wrap yourself in a bed sheet and tie it off at the shoulder, see if it feels comfortable.

MillyR · 16/09/2011 11:35

I don't think a bed sheet would look good with the massive Viking shield I am currently wearing as an accessory.

aldiwhore · 16/09/2011 11:35

I think her point was, that in her English hereditory line, its possible there's a bit of celt, viking, roman in her genes - as in there become a point where its 'unknown'. lol

Cheria · 16/09/2011 11:35

YABU.

Kewcumber · 16/09/2011 11:35

"Scrambled race?" hee hee hee - I must remember that one.

I sometimes describe DS as mixed race and sometimes as cenral asian (as it covers a multitude of races and no-one in the UK tends to know what it means).

Really I can't get too worked up about it as long as they're not trying to be offensive.

MillyR · 16/09/2011 11:36

But that is true of everyone in the world.

MillyR · 16/09/2011 11:36

Sorry, my post was to AW.

Kewcumber · 16/09/2011 11:38

"We did the whole freshers thing of 'where you from' and I didn't ask the 'asian looking' girl because I thought she'd think I was being rude" - just ask!

DS replies either "kew" or "kazakhstan" - either response tends to confuse people but both are true (depending on which time line you are using)

notherdaynotherdollar · 16/09/2011 11:38

makes me laugh when people describe themselves as Turkish/Greek/Pakistani etc when they & their parents have lived here all their lives, never set foot in Turkey/Greece/Pakistan and wouldnt know the language if it bit them on the bum.

I guess they want to seem more interesting somehow.

TotemPole · 16/09/2011 11:38

spiderpig8, no you can't get to 1/3. You can get closer as the number of generations approaches infinity, but it will never be exactly a third. You're right, the denominator has to be a power of 2.

aldiwhore · 16/09/2011 11:38

Yes I know! She has a very 'romanesque' nose so maybe she's simply mocking herself in a lighthearted way.

aldiwhore · 16/09/2011 11:39

kew I learned that very quickly... and got mercilessly mocked for 3 years by my new friends.

Kewcumber · 16/09/2011 11:41

and anyway you aren't really asking people where they are form because you care are you? Just to make conversation any question would do - ask "are you fairly local" might be a way of not implying that they might be "forrin" just because they are darker than beige.

hester · 16/09/2011 11:42

I don't think most people think of mixed race as offensive. I sometimes say dual heritage but tbh in RL I only really hear social workers use this term.

Half caste definitely NOT ok, though.

MillyR · 16/09/2011 11:43

I think that if you have a grandparent that was born somewhere different to you, or you have a physical appearance that is different to that of most of the people who live around you, there is a good reason to have a way of describing your ethnicity as something other to, or in addition to your country of region.

hester · 16/09/2011 11:44

Oh, and I agree with others who say the pizza thing is kind of how children's minds work. My dd1 loves talking about being half Irish and half Jewish, and her sister being half Caribbean and half English, but both of them being all British and all people. I could refuse to quantify it in that way, and just talk vaguely about her having different things in her background, but I don't think she'd find that anywhere near as SATISFYING.

ShowOfHands · 16/09/2011 11:48

I'm fuel heritage.

I go like the clappers.

LordOfTheFlies · 16/09/2011 11:50

I am English by birthplace, Scottish parents, but I class myself as English

DH is Scottish by birth, Scottish parents, classes himself as Scottish.

The DCs are English born to Scottish/English parents and class themselves as Skinglish Grin