to think that if 9/11 had happened anywhere else we wouldn't be remembering it ten years on?

[wannaBe]

... or probably even one year on.

I am not taking away from how horrific it was for all who were directly affected.

But if it had been anywhere but America the world would have moved on and we wouldn't be facing wall-to-wall coverage ten years on. Even if it had been the UK only the UK would be remembering.

wannabe's right, the world wouldn't be paying such huge attention ten years on if 3,000 people had been killed in a different country. And if there weren't those mesmerising TV images of the towers being hit and falling.

And Kerry does have a point about US foreign policy - the US has been savage, has overthrown democratically elected governments, has propped up or installed insane dictators who have abused, tortured and murdered thousands of people. In so many countries... It was the US who armed the Taliban in the first place, FGS.

Of course none of that makes what the hijackers did at all excusable. None of the people who died were anything other than innocent victims of the most horrendous acts (other than the hijackers, obv.).

The problem with the position "it is all about oil" is that once one repeats it often enough it becomes very credible against best judgements...

There are lots of much much cheaper options to bring natural gas (not oil) from FSU into Indian subcontinent... i do not find this angle to the war credible.

oh thank god, i thought kerrymumbles was loony for a long time now. Ta for proving me correct

As to if we should have invaded Iraq, I don't know, but innocent people were dying there long before the invasion.

Hopefully a better infrastructure will be put in place and the people living in Iraq will be able to live more peaceful lives than the did under saddam hussein

I think that Iraq will go down as one the biggest travesties - it reported just now that the US were desperate to link Saddam with al quaeda - but couldn't find a shred of evidence.

Apparently, the best they could come up with was the 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' type thing. Outrageous.

Anyway, Saddam's card was marked - the US were going to go after him sometime or another. He had already broken many of the provisos for peace that had been set at the end of the first gulf war. But, the way Tony Blair's government set out the case for war was unspeakable - and thankfully it has now been set down in legislation that a government can never again take the country to war like that again.

Agree with you bemybebe on Michael Moore.

"takethis"

OP :"... or probably even one year on.

I am not taking away from how horrific it was for all who were directly affected.

But if it had been anywhere but America the world would have moved on and we wouldn't be facing wall-to-wall coverage ten years on. Even if it had been the UK only the UK would be remembering."

It is 9/11 i guess, but if one moves this event to another city/country it is no longer 9/11 the way we know it.

The world's business, military and political centres were attacked and they happened to be in NY, Arlington County, Virginia and Washington, and not in Moscow, Dehli or Nairobi.

But the mourning over the loss of life would be the same whether it happened in NY or Tokyo. That is my opinion and my opinion only. I do not see it any other way.

In any case arguing "what if" about an event like that is silly. My opinion.

What makes me laugh is that people think the US needed to orchestrate something as devastating as 9/11 as an excuse to go to war with places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

The events of 9/11 may well have decided certain events - but if they wanted to start a fight with these countries, it could easily have been done without the need to bring down the Pentagon and the Twin Towers.

After all they managed the first gulf war/Vietnam/Korea with very little trouble? Plus many others.

Btw - any recent readers thinking my posts sound anti American - they're totally not. I'm just very against the Iraq war. I am totally for the commemoration of 9/11 and against the OP.

You havent given a good enough reason why the government might have been involved in 9/11 yet, why should people give you a reason why they wouldn't be

The funny thing is that many of the people who said the OP was BU have actually answered her question with a resounding yes.

I say this because as many have stated, they found it more significant because it happened in America and even narrowed it down to the fact that it was concentrated in that specific location to two stand out landmarks. Yet the same people say the OP is BU.

Go figure.

to think that if 9/11 had happened anywhere else we wouldn't be remembering it ten years on? (385 Posts)

I'm just going to answer your OP, whilst at how some minds work 'yikes'

Ithink you are being very unreasonable and frankly disrespectful

I still struggle that we remember the 3000 dead on 9/11 bit no word to the hundreds of thousands dead from the wars our countries fought afterwards. Yu can mourn both - it's not that hard - you don't have to take sides to discuss the points raised by the OP. I mistakenly clicked on a link on another site. It was the aftermath of a bomb with a man holding up the torso of a young child (could have been Iraq or similar)- why don't we see these images to let us know what's really happening. of course i feel for the victims of 9/11 but they weren't the only ones.

Some people are really dense. IF political, military and business centres of the worlds were located in Iraq, everyone would be covering Iraq memorial events 10-years on.

Actually, I thought that Chickens, pus many others, answered the OP very well ages ago - that was a resounding YABU.

The argument has moved on a tad, but I still think the OP was BU - the enormity of the attack was unprecedented. You cannot compare a single terrorist attack with a whole War/World War as some have tried to do. It was the biggest terrorist atrocity ever anywhere in the world, and it happened on US soil. We're Special Friends of the US, and we lost many British lives in 9/11.

more British lives were lost on 9/11 than 7/7 btw

goldfish - many people don't thin the Op WBU but opening up an interesting discussion.

I think the majority thought was YABU though? That was my impression. Many people thought the post very disrespectful.

Watching United 93 right now as it happens.

I think you enjoy being offended and hoisting your boossom up! Hilda Ogden springs to mind - do you wear a turban and sport flying ducks in your salon?

Who me???

yes you, Hilda!

Well. yes, I do quite fancy hoisting my bosom up! Actually the turban would solve a multitude of 'bad hair day' problems as well.

And your excuse?

OP We're all more interested in 'our' people. It's not racist, it's just local.

LDN....I think the tone of the OP was a sneering 'America is arrogant' and that's why as opposed to America is our metaphorical neighbour.