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to think the conspiracy theorists on the bbc3 doc are actually a tad disrespectful?

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Misspixietrix · 09/09/2011 20:46

the polly pocket human in the corner who sulked in the corner instead of intellectually listening to the expert....infuriated me!

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Sookeh · 09/09/2011 22:28

I'm not sure what compelled me really Agent. As I say, my Uncle was really hurt and I got a little obsessed with all of it (it coincided with a bad time in my life).

I guess there were a lot of questions that needed answering, but I feel that the 9/11 report answered them all. I don't see how, presented with the facts, anyone could reach a different conclusion.

It enrages me because you can prove the "truthers" wrong time and time again and they'll still promote the lies and spout the shit they've seen on a YouTube video.

LeBOF · 09/09/2011 22:35

Re. the passports thing, that always struck me as implausible. Although I don't subscribe to the wilder conspiracy theories, I don't think it's beyond belief that the US government were opportunist in the aftermath.

Fuzzywood · 09/09/2011 22:42

Did they find anything else made of paper or just passports? I'm not at all scientific but I would guess there is something about the composition of the passports which kept them intact or something to do with paper not bursting like a water balloon or egg. Just speculating.

Sookeh · 09/09/2011 22:43

Griphook, the thing with the eggs was to demonstrate the crash of United 93, the passport was found in New York. The planes crashed at different speeds and impacted differently.

The passport thing sounds odd, but it wasn't the only thing that was found that belonged to someone on the planes. 2 items of mail were found along with a cushion from the plane.

When the Columbia space shuttle crashed, cannisters full of live worms were retrieved!

It's not at all impossible for the passport to have survived the impact.

Sookeh · 09/09/2011 22:48

Besides, the very fact it seems so odd is precisely why, to my mind, the Government couldn't have been involved.

With all of the money and manpower and secrecy that would be needed, there is no way they would then plant a passport and claim it survived the wreckage and expect people not to ask questions.

They'd go out of their way to avoid all questions that could prove the official story wrong.

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Misspixietrix · 09/09/2011 22:48

I'm guessing re the passports thing, as it crashed through the towers the bits of plane would have started falling on impact and so that's how things could still have been recovered? maybe they fell along with the other bits? < this makes sense in my head but what can i say? it's late ;)

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AgentZigzag · 09/09/2011 22:53

But if you take it that part of a governments job is to manipulate people Sookeh, (to pay their taxes, not murder each other, get themselves to work every day etc) why would you believe the report into what happened?

It might have answered crucial and awkward questions with total sincerity (and I haven't read it), but as always, it's not what's said that's worth looking at, it's what's been left out and unsaid that completes the whole picture.

Sookeh · 09/09/2011 22:56

But I don't take it that part of a Governments job is to manipulate people.

Fuzzywood · 09/09/2011 22:59

Sorry, thought you meant passports were found from flight 93 not in New York. I'm sure there is a rational explanation for it. Sookeh have to agree, if you're going to set something up you'd make it water tight and leave nothing to doubt.

On a slightly different note, who was the presenter? I'd never seen him before and wondered why he was chosen. Did love some of his facial expressions when dealing with the delusional sulky one.

Sookeh · 09/09/2011 23:00

And not much was left out. They proved that there were terrorists, they proved they were religious extremists who were recruited by Al Qaeda. They proved that said extremists flew 3 planes into buildings and one crashed into a field. They proved that the towers collapsed due to structural integrity caused by sustained exposure to jet fuelled fire.

There's no doubt that there were many security failures etc but IMO there's zero doubt about who was responsible.

Sookeh · 09/09/2011 23:01

He's a comedian apparently, the presenter. Never seen him before though.

I have to hand it to him for having to sit on a bus with that bint for days though.

griphook · 09/09/2011 23:03

thanks for the anwers, maybe it's a case of the truth is stranger than fiction iyswm, but there doesn't seem to be a solid reason as with everything other question.

LeBof- unfortunately that's what I feared aswell

poppyknot · 09/09/2011 23:03

Can't believe that Charlotte still thought that the phone calls from Flight 93 were faked once they had met the mother. They said she was a nanny in North London. If so a family needs to be warned about a seriously unbalanced person looking after their child. She kept going on about facts, facts but when faced with some she always had a reason to dismiss them.

The young man who was also a conspiracy junkie at the end, got a call from his mum during the filming. He seemed to need to prove something.........

Required superpower - ability to jump into TV and give people a good shake.

Is their a correlation between being a 'truther' in one area and a 'truther' in another? Or do people only have room in their brains for one big theory. It's a lot of stuff to carry........

poppyknot · 09/09/2011 23:06

There was not enough emphasis on the cock-up theory though. Conspiracies would be so hard to set up and maintain. Cock ups are sadly too pervasive and only are revealed when something bad happens.

AgentZigzag · 09/09/2011 23:10

'But I don't take it that part of a Governments job is to manipulate people.'

That's all they do in my mind, to get the 60 odd million people just in the UK working together to achieve what we do, takes quite a bit of manipulation by the state.

I don't mean it always has to be sinister manipulation, but you have to control the masses and all that.

Just a simple example like the super injunctions shows how we only know what we're allowed to be told.

Fuzzywood · 09/09/2011 23:11

Poppy completely agree, it was a cock upon the intelligence front. It's just far too complex a thing to be a conspiracy. Same with the Diana conspiracy, the fairy tale princess story isn't supposed to end in a Paris underpass courtesy of a drunk driver.

poppyknot · 09/09/2011 23:16

Fuzzywood, Ooh I forgotten about Diana for a moment.......

Just looking at how quite straightforward things can go wrong (oh dear I forgot that..... apparently at the new big hospital we have have, they forgot to build anywhere to store the records.......), something that is a one-off and untried we are expected to belief that everything can go as planned. I don't think so)

poppyknot · 09/09/2011 23:18

Fuzzywood - Andrew Maxwell, presenter He tweets! @andrewismaxwell

DioneTheDiabolist · 09/09/2011 23:19

I am totally not into 9/11 conspiracies, but Donald Rumsfeld just gave quite a strange account of what happened at the Pentagon on newsnight. I found his use of language really, really odd.

Sookeh · 09/09/2011 23:21

Sorry Agent, I took it you meant sinister manipulation Blush

I can see your point but I think people think Governments are capable of far more than they actually are. It just wouldn't be possible to keep a plot to kill so many people a secret not just before, but afterwards as well.

Clinton would have kept his sexcapades a secret if he could have.

I know Governments can be capable of awful things, and I'm sure they used the tragedy to their advantage but I 100% believe they weren't behind it.

Fuzzywood · 09/09/2011 23:21

Ooh almost worth signing up to Twitter to ask him what he really thought of the crazy woman and why he didn't shout "where did all the people from the 2 planes that apparently didn't crash disappear to" every 5 minutes.
I know I keel going on about the planes that apparently didn't crash but I've had 3 glasses of wine and it's seriously bugging me now Grin

Duckegg80 · 09/09/2011 23:32

That Charlotte one also agreed, when asked at the end of the programme, that there was a possibility that the 'illuminati' had something to do with it. She's clearly deep into conspiracy theories, not just a 9/11 'truther' if she believes in that kind of thing.

The presenter was the Irish comedian Andrew Maxwell. Not sure why he was chosen for this particular programme, though he does do a lot of tv in the UK. Thought he did a good job, although he was definitely out of patience by the end of it.

Sookeh · 09/09/2011 23:33

I noticed that too Duckegg, if she believes in the illuminati she's too far gone to save Grin

AgentZigzag · 09/09/2011 23:37

Definately no need for the Blush Spookeh, it's just that I think amongst all that 'normal' manipulation that goes on day to day, there's huge scope for the types of people who graduate towards positions of power and influence, to tweak certain things in favour of a reality that's more likely to keep them in the position they've worked all their lives for.

It's the nature of power, a lot of people would do almost anything to get and keep hold of it.

Sookeh · 09/09/2011 23:38

www.debunking911.com

This site proves most of the conspiracy theories about 9/11 are nonsense.