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Original poster

Total ban on hoodies absolutely everywhere

123 replies

mumsamilitant · 01/09/2011 15:26

To want a total ban on hooded tops? DS was mugged for 2nd time yesterday on Putney Bridge ( a huge bridge that incoporates a road and pavements) at 4pm, all members of the gang of nasty, despicable, low life, scum thieves were wearing them, grrrrrr!

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cleanteeth · 02/09/2011 12:57

I dont think i could survive without my hoodies and im not a thug, nor have i ever mugged someone.

sorry to hear about your son but clothing is not the issue

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mumsamilitant · 02/09/2011 13:04

Yes ban then all and a lot of you too!

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Faithless12 · 02/09/2011 13:08

A lot of people associate black men with violent crime does that mean all commit violent crime or that we should ban them? No. It MAY help having a clear picture of them but not necessarily I would rather prevent the crime tbh.

I repeat Yabu!

MrsRhettButler · 02/09/2011 13:22

Think people are being ridiculous saying 'well I wear a hoodie and so does my 4 yo' so fucking what! We can all see that's not the point the op is trying to get across, she's not saying everyone who wears one is involved in crime ffs.

I get your point op but it just wouldn't work, we would have to ban hoods of all kinds as someone upthread mentioned anoraks have hoods and we can't ban them.

Sadly criminals will use anything they can to hide their face if they are about to commit a crime.

I'm sorry for your son :(
Shame people feel the need to take the piss this could have been a genuine discussion.

MrsRhettButler · 02/09/2011 13:25

And as many of you have said 'clothing is not the isue' well sadly it is, if people couldn't cover their faces with hoods there would be a lot more convictions for crimes. It's just that sadly there's nothing we can do about it.

LadyBeagleEyes · 02/09/2011 13:26

Well, yes it could have been a genuine discussion but as the thread title was about banning all hoodies, it kind of went in that general direction.

MrsRhettButler · 02/09/2011 13:27

*issue

upahill · 02/09/2011 13:31

When people have been saying that they wear hoddies and so do their kids I think the point they were making mrsrhettbutler is that the hoodie is an everyday item of clothing that is in the mainstream, in the same way that trainers or jeans are. In other words they are clothes that cross all ages and gender.

breaktime73 · 02/09/2011 13:31

hardly a ridiculous point Rhett. A very sensible counter to the OP's (imho) irrational reaction to her son's traumatic experience- the irrationality being a call for a ban on all hoodies, which is clearly unworkable as everyone wears them including small children, the elderly, and god knows probably some dogs. :D

I presume she knows this and knows that she is being a bit irrational in her understandable anger. Maybe.

Katiepoes · 02/09/2011 13:31

MrsRhettbutler so if hoods are banned nobody could hide their face? Is your imagination really that stunted?

heleninahandcart · 02/09/2011 13:33

Faithless A lot of people associate black men with violent crime does that mean all commit violent crime or that we should ban them? No. It MAY help having a clear picture of them but not necessarily

Is that because black men all look the same?

FeelingOld · 02/09/2011 13:37

I am sorry to hear what happened to your son, its an awful thing to happen to anyone.

But hoodies are not the problem as i am sure you know as you have already said your son used to wear them. Its the fact that there is a section of society who just dont respect anyone or anything, if they want something it wouldnt cross their mind to work for it, they would rather steal it off someone else like the looters/rioters we have recently seen on the streets. I dont know what the answer is but any decent member of society knows this if wrong.

My DD is 16 and has several hoodies and if its cold or wet does have the hood up. She has just passed 12 GCSE's, she has a part-time job so that she can save up to buy some of the things she would like and is about to start college next week to gain more qualifications. She isnt a threat to anyone.

Values have changed and thats why some people mug/steal/loot and its this we need to be working on so that people like your son can walk the streets in the day time safely, not banning clothes.

madwomanintheattic · 02/09/2011 20:52

wearing tights on your head like in those 70s cops n robbers shows. wearing tights on your head should def be banned. ban tights.

is this thread really still going?

bruffin · 02/09/2011 21:03

ds got mugged last year, the boys had their hoods up, but they got them on ctv and boys were prosecuted this year.

MrsRhettButler · 04/09/2011 01:33

No Katie it's not, I said 'sadly criminals will use anything the can to hide their face if they are about to commit a crime'

Basically, hoods make it easy.

I'm against banning them anyway I just think there have been some ridiculous statements made on this thread

Faithless12 · 04/09/2011 04:26

Helen- the last sentence you quoted was in relation to the OP obsession about not getting a clear picture of the perpetrators on CCTV. Not to do with the first sentence, I should have made that clearer.

OuchPassVodka · 04/09/2011 05:31

there is a very interesting point about cctv here though. Iirc the UK has one of the highest ration of cctv camera/mile or something like that in the world.

I wear the hood of my hoodie up precisely to hide myself from them because i resent the fact that my every move is being monitored. I have no intention of getting up to anything bad. I just have a pathelogical hatred of this big brother society.

Now the question is why is society obessed with getting bigger and better stuff and never being satisfied with what it has got. Perhaps if we could solve this problem then the current scumbags who are doing this would not feel the drive to do so. but that is just to obvious a solution and would never work.

Instead of banning the hoodies can we ban the advertising men?

bruffin · 04/09/2011 07:55

"there is a very interesting point about cctv here though. Iirc the UK has one of the highest ration of cctv camera/mile or something like that in the world."

This was how my dcs muggers were caught, there was enough video footage of them before and after with their hoods down riding on the trains. I am more than grateful for the video footage. I am grateful for it.

"Instead of banning the hoodies can we ban the advertising men"

Why, it's not their fault these children were not bought up properly.

OuchPassVodka · 04/09/2011 08:17

advertising men were who created the highly materialistic world we live in today. Most of what is robbed when people are mugged is because it is something they want, or for selling on to get something they want. it is not for something they need to live. Wants over basic needs. simple as.

bruffin · 04/09/2011 08:44

Don't you think that children should be bought up to know the difference between "wanting" and "needing" ?

OuchPassVodka · 04/09/2011 08:55

perhaps but unless you ban them from watching tv and isolate them from the outside world the impact of the materialistic environment is always going to be greater then one or two people trying to succeed in teaching this. It is a failing in society as a whole. And as much as you can fight against it, it is driven by their peers, their exposure to advertising, their exposure to commerce. Materialistic society breeds the problems of materialistic wanting. The increase of generations with this exposure increases the need to possess. They can have it, I should. Doesn''t make it right. Doesn't make it a quick fix. Just makes it so much harder to try to teach your children the right thing. But how can a lot of children learn when their parent's are striving to have the latest piece of technology? The i-phone, i-pad, android phone etc. Observation and teachings is one thing. You can teach a child it is wrong to steal and hurt but if they are driven by the need to possess materialistic goods how much persausion would those who seek the approval of peers need?

At the end of the day my point to this is clothes don't make the thug but there is something that does and perhaps this should be the focus and tackle rather then the item of clothing. It is like sticking a ban-aid/plaster over a broken bone that has come through the skin. Might cover up and deflect the issue but doesn't fix the route cause.

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mumsamilitant · 05/09/2011 14:01

Just for clarification, yes, of course I realise it wouldn't work, I was cross. Blimey though, don't some of you become nasty bitches get you knickers in a twist about things. There are certain members that seem to gain some sort of kick out of doing this .

Pinot being one of them and also you dear "ladybeagleyes"

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Oakmaiden · 05/09/2011 19:36

I think most of us understood it was anger talking, and rightfully you were feeling protective of your son and flaming furious about the whole situation. I hope you and he are recovered now. :)

But you are right - it wouldn't be workable, would it? :)

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