to think that evicting hundreds of travellers from their site is unfair and immoral

[rocketty]

It's an illegal site. They didn't have planning permission. It's greenbelt...

but it used to be a car scrapyard (not rolling fields and thatched cottages then), they own the land and it's right next to a legal settlement.

They've obviously broken the law by settling here, but on balance, wouldn't it be more ethical to let them be? The children are settled at school and getting an education. Lots of people are prejudiced against gypsies and travellers but they've got to live somewhere.

I've seen the news articles about it. It makes me feel sad.

'you do realise, that these are real people?? they may not choose to live in the same way as you or I, but that doesn't mean that they should just be left to rot. Someone will have to pick up the pieces. And so far, no-one has come up with a viable solution to dealing with travelling communities.'

How about the communities being responsible for themselves? Why is this everyone else's problem? Everyone else just gets on with it or finds a way to legally live how they like or goes to jail.

They made their bed, they can lie in it.

Left to rot? They have caravans to travel away in.

Well most of us are not in the rare position of being paid entirely in cash and being able to keep it all to ourselves!

banana87
I have had plenty of dealings with them and one think I have learnt is that you cannot generalise against a whole race of people.I also find it offensive that you state that they all steal,do you know this for a fact? Because I know for a fact that there are travellers who have jobs,pay their taxes and live just like anybody else.
Also judging by the recent riots,the settled community could do with sorting out their own problems before judging the lives of others.

Bubbles4 you can't generalise about travellers but YOU can (for some reason) generalise about the settled community sorting out their own problems.

hmmmm

Where's Beesimo when you need her?

jesus!! people, they WILL JUST MOVE, IN THEIR CARAVANS, SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR INTO PRIVATE TENANCYS FUNDED BY YOUR TAXES.!!

how is evicting them from dale farm, solving anything??? they won't suddenly see the error of their ways and decide to be upstanding citizens- to them they aren't doing anything wrong. They won't change because they don't think they need to.

Right then, problem solved. Because they will just create trouble elsewhere we should let them do whatever they want, whether its BREAKING THE LAW or not. They are immune, clearly.

Well then, they can go on getting evicted and evicted then, scarletts. There's an established site here, but they still see fit to park up on other peoples' land. So they get turned out (thankfully, in Scotland, it's somewhat easier to move illegal campers of any sort off).

They can just put up with grief and court if they continue to park up on land illegally.

Mollydoggerson,I dont think I was generalising when I made a point about the rioters,I did not say all young people in London were involved but it has been stated on this thread that alltravellers steal.

The purpose of evicting them is to enforce law evenly and fairly amonst all men and women.

The Roma are an ethnic group, bubbles; the 'travellers' who are the subject of this thread are itinerant Irish tinkers and, as such, are a sub-culture and not a race.

I dont have any respect for anyone, who travels to another country, creates a community which resents, abuses and threatens the people who live in that country, deliberately fluots the laws of said country and refuses to try and integrate in any way whatsoever. Its basically parasitic. And downright rude.
(And that includes the English abroad.)
They have broken the law, they must accept the consequences.

It is not about being immune from the law. Stop looking at this in black and white. Yes, they broke the law. What now?? They can't go to jail as it is a civil issue, so what should we do? They don't have the means to pay a huge fine, and it would be too hard to administrate for even if they did. And there is also a duty of care to find accomodation for anyone that is homeless.

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy,I know what you are saying having been married to a Romany gypsy for 25 years but do you think people stop to think of the difference when they are giving out their racial abuse?They dont and let me tell you its not nice being at the end of this abuse especially when you family are hard working,law abiding and pay all their taxes.

How do you know they don't have the means or don't own properties elsewhere?

But as someone else said, most won't move into council housing because it isn't "theirs" so whats the problem? If they had never settled on illegal land to begin with then they wouldn't be in this predicament. It's not like they had no idea what they were doing.

'Yes, they broke the law. What now??'

Evict them and they can take up housing provided by the council, or, if they don't like that (and they probably won't) get in their caravans and clear off.

And what exactly is repeated evictions going to achieve?? it is going to be a huge cost to the tax payer, the chilldrens education is going to be further damaged, and it makes life more dangerous for the children as social services won't have a clue what is going on. How is this helping anyone?

'And what exactly is repeated evictions going to achieve?? it is going to be a huge cost to the tax payer, the chilldrens education is going to be further damaged, and it makes life more dangerous for the children as social services won't have a clue what is going on. How is this helping anyone?'

It's going to avoid setting precedent that anyone can flout planning laws.

They flouted the law, they're getting evicted. They continue to do so, they can continue getting evicted.

If I went and squatted in someone's house continually, I could expect to have to live with the hassle of the property owner trying to get me out.