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AIBU to think Bs at GCSE are ok?

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catwalker · 28/08/2011 21:31

Some issues with DS and GCSEs/6th form. He didn't get the grades he was predicted (As and As) but then I didn't expect him to as he doesn't put much effort into anything apart from his x box. He got mainly Bs, a couple of As, a couple of Cs and a couple of Ds. I was quite happy until I started reading the secondary education forum where people are tearing their hair out because their dc's didn't get straight As and may have blown their oxbridge chances. I get the impression that anything less than an A just isn't worth the paper it's written on. He could have done loads better but Bs are OK aren't they?

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TandB · 29/08/2011 22:59

Such a lot of bollocks and generalisations being spouted on this thread.

You'll never get anywhere if you go to Brookes? I did my law conversion there and I somehow managed to finish up as a partner of a law firm. Clearly I slipped through the net somehow. Or did the Oxford Uni postgrad degree cancel out the taint of the Brookes CPE?

Brookes has a good academic reputation and ranks pretty highly in certain subjects. It is also an outstanding sporting university which makes it attractive to lots of students from top-end private schools who did well in certain sports at school and want to continue at uni. I was in one of the sports clubs there and most of the club's top athletes have gone on to do well at international level, or into high level coaching jobs. Two others are now lawyers, one has his own company, a couple work for large multi-national corporations, at least three have gone into the forces and done very well there, a couple are working overseas. I haven't heard of anyone failing miserably in life despite the apparent stigma of coming from an ex-poly.

Of course that might be because many employers these days recognise that academic achievement alone isn't necessarily a good indicator of someone's potential in the world of work. A decent degree from a decent all-round university, together with some achievements in something like sport or music or another extra-curicular activity goes a long way.

At my last firm there was a year when there was an unusually high level of Oxbridge applicants for training contracts. HR got a bit carried away and abandoned their usual policy of recruiting slightly older trainees, ideally who had done something else first, and went for an entire intake of Oxbridge firsts. It was an unmitigated disaster. Academic excellence does not necessarily translate into good quality advocacy skills, or people skills, or even common sense. I spent half my bloody time dragging one or other of them around court with me trying to impress upon them that our cases weren't some academic problem that they could solve by trial and error, or dig their heels in and insist that they were right and the rest of the legal world were wrong.

I had a great time at Brookes and I came away with an entirely serviceable qualification and a lot of useful CV points. I would recommend it to anyone. It wasn't an inferior experience to my time at Oxford - it was a different one.

TandB · 29/08/2011 23:01

Oh and the 2 E offers at Oxford used to be not uncommon. 3 girls in my year got them - 2 for sciences and 1 for languages. All the successful Cambridge applicants had straight A offers. We were told that the 2 Es thing was an Oxford specific thing and was because they had the entrance exam at that time. Do they still have it?

exoticfruits · 29/08/2011 23:05

Well said Kungfu.
It sums it up.
Someone said the same thing earlier, 'not inferior but different'.

Tchootnika · 29/08/2011 23:06

I think most posters on this thread agree with you, kungfu.

exoticfruits · 29/08/2011 23:07

I remember back to those days -they had the entrance exam and interview and then might give offers with 2 Es. I doubt it still stands.

exoticfruits · 29/08/2011 23:08

You have to bear in mind that not everyone wants to go to Oxbridge-I didn't.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 29/08/2011 23:13

Well said kungfu.

They still have entrance tests at Cambridge, btw. Don't know about Oxford, but I believe so.

MillyR · 29/08/2011 23:17

Aren't the entrance exams in addition to good A levels? So you would need A*AA plus STEP plus extra curricular for example?

LRDTheFeministDragon · 29/08/2011 23:24

Yes, they are in addition to A Levels (or IB, or whatever). But if you performed very well, they take that into account when giving the offer. So you might get forgiven poor GCSE/AS grades if you were very good. They're not standardized any more (or weren't when I last checked), though, and it is much less formal than it used to be, when it was really an entrance exam.These days they are just tests to help the interviewers with a bit more information.

MillyR · 29/08/2011 23:30

But you have to get through the interview to take STEP, and to get an interview, you have to have decent GCSE grades (although not as good as people make out!).

princessglitter · 29/08/2011 23:31

Well having 3 B grades at GCSE (and Shock a C, never harmed my Oxford chances at all. I was a late bloomer and went on to achieve straight As at A level.

However, if you have read my 'Barristers' thread - even a 2.1 at Oxford (which I achieved) is not a passport to success ;)

LRDTheFeministDragon · 29/08/2011 23:32

No, you don't, Milly. Oxbridge interview virtually everyone. And STEP is something a school may or may not offer, not something to do with the interview. Honestly, I'm sure about this.

Yellowstone · 29/08/2011 23:32

Oxford has more entrance tests and Cambridge looks more closely at the AS modules.

DD1's schoolmate got an EE offer from Cambridge for 2008.

Xenia I can't believe the stuff about accents and class, still. I'd love to think you weren't real, but I'm too much of a downbeat for that.

Yellowstone · 29/08/2011 23:35

LRD Oxford interviews far, far fewer than Cambridge. And the percentage of interviews to apps various hugely between subjects. The numbers are all up on the website.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 29/08/2011 23:37

Thanks Yellow - I admit I was thinking of Cambridge! Sorry.

I do know Oxford interviews, and accepts, candidates with B grades on a very regular basis though.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 29/08/2011 23:38

What I think is a real shame is that most universities simply don't have the funding to do interviews/tests. It would be much, much fairer and easier if they could.

Yellowstone · 29/08/2011 23:40

And time. It's hugely time consuming. But much fairer.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 29/08/2011 23:41

Yes, and time.

MillyR · 29/08/2011 23:55

LRD, from the STEP website:

'Candidates who have received offers for Mathematics courses at the University of Cambridge will normally be required to sit STEP as a post-interview test. '

'Candidates should refer to the universities they have received offers from in order to find out which papers they need to sit. Typically, the universities will specify which papers a candidate needs to sit in their offer letter.'

Certainly where we live, STEP is taught through attending a regional university during part of school time. It is not taught by the schools at all.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 30/08/2011 00:20

It's taught at schools round here. They start teaching before you go to interview, too. Confused

AFAIK, the university just tells you if it'll be part of your offer. It's nothing to do with permission at all. Some schools put candidates in for STEP just for fun even if they don't need it for university.

Isn't the website just saying Cambridge may well ask for step and if it does, you'd better take it? Just as they may well ask for A-levels so you'd best take them?

MillyR · 30/08/2011 00:30

Cambridge almost always asks for STEP for Maths undergraduates, but is not always required for courses like engineering. If you aren't at a school that has access to STEP teaching, you are taught it at a university centre. The exam is after the A levels, post interview, so I can't see how they can possibly offer you a lower conditional offer based on your STEP results when your STEP results won't be known at the time they make the offer. This is as far as I can work out from the Cambridge admissions guide and DS's school. I have no insider knowledge.

And they interview a bit over 80% of the students; their decision to interview is based on previous exam grades and the statement from the school/FE college.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 30/08/2011 00:38
Confused

I never said they did offer you a lower conditional based on STEP? I only mentioned entrance tests, which are an internal thing.

My only information comes from knowing admissions people at both universities, having been to both and having a mathematician brother who's been to Cambridge. What it brings home to me is that the best thing to do is always talk to the admissions office direct and ask them what they think!

Xenia · 30/08/2011 08:11

Accents and class are one of the biggest barriers in some things, more than being female. YOu might not like it but it's true. It can work both ways round of course. At one point at the BBC if you have received pronunciation and no regional accent you didn't get on. There is also a problem with caste too in the UK (which is basically class).

Also no one said you can't succeed if you went to oxford B or get Bs in GCSEs - just that for some careers it makes it much harder, medicine etc.

Also my older 3 children are university/post university stage. Lots of jobs you are only allowed to apply for on line in the first instance and if you do not meed certain requirements the web site won't let you apply. I cannot remember all the details but from memory that would be UCAS points. So that's your A level grades, AS and a few other things like grade 6 7 or 8 associated board music exams etc.

exoticfruits · 30/08/2011 08:18

I think that accents and class certainly work both ways round.

working9while5 · 30/08/2011 08:21

Yes, Xenia. I'd imagine it would make it harder to excel in medicine if you went to a university that didn't offer it at degree level.