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AIBU?

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To ask if there is actually a job for every unemployed person on Income Support/ JSA?

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CardyMow · 10/08/2011 10:51

Because I don't think there is, and surely if there isn't a job for everyone, then we need to ensure that everyone can eat, and live a decent life, even if they CAN'T get a job. I'm sure if you looked at the amount of jobs in Britain, and compared it to the total population of Britain, there would be a disparity between the two figures.

And I personally KNOW that there isn't enough unskilled jobs around now, for the people that CAN'T get any further qualifications.

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AmberLeaf · 15/08/2011 12:33

Loudlass

Apply or reapply for DLA! You should be getting it.

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CardyMow · 15/08/2011 23:13

Apparently, as I am no longer having TONIC seizures (with a loss of conciousness) at least twice a week, I don't qualify for DLA any longer. Even though I'm having nocturnal szs, myo's and partials. You only get DLA for epilepsy for 'blackouts or loss of conciousness'. It fucking stinks, I was on DLA until June last year, sent my renewal in not expecting any problems, and got my DLA stopped not renewed.

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CardyMow · 15/08/2011 23:14

Funny how I was disabled enough for DLA under the previous Government, but not disabled enough under this Government....

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CardyMow · 15/08/2011 23:21

Blueberties - If your husband's tax bill is ridiculous, surely that means by proportion, his EARNINGS are also ridiculous? Because to someone on minimum wage, paying 20% tax, they are still left with a fuck sight less than someone in the higher rate tax bracket is after their tax is taken off. Even for working just as hard, if not more, as the job is much more likely to be very menial. Or are you just showing off that your husband can earn sooooooo much money, and poor him, having to pay his taxes? I'll pat your husband on the back for having a supportive family (Like he had a choice, he was just LUCKY) that could help him to do well at school, and go to University. NOT everyone has those chances in life, even if they ARE clever enough. Christ, someone in Foster Care is VERY unlikely to go to Uni (read the statistics, can't be bothered to find them) EVEN if they have an IQ of 130. Because social services won't fund it, and someone from that background is not going to want to take on what seems like an insurmountable debt in order to do so, when their first priority is a home and food once they are no longer cared for.

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Kallista · 15/08/2011 23:23

Blueberties - I was educated under the Tories in the early-mid 90s & the state education system was just as crap then. I don't honestly think that a change in administration affects the state education system much as the politicians in charge tend to be wealthy & able to send their children either to public school; or to a high performing state school. Also I knew wealthier kids at school who were given private tuition. So MPs of all parties aren't going to be motivated to do much for the state education sector.

The kids who succeed in the worst schools are those rare children who are not only intelligent but who are also very motivated to study independently without adequate support & who can ignore the distractions around them. I also notice that the people of all backgrounds who have done very well since leaving school are those who have both a flair for practical skills & good business acumen.
I would say that what the UK lacks is basic unskilled jobs - but even when the vacancies existed I knew able-bodied people who could have applied for them but didn't for a variety of reasons.

Blueberties · 16/08/2011 19:03

No, his earnings are not ridiculous at all. He certainly doesn't pay top rate. That's quite a typical assumption though. Of course someone earning less will end up with less after tax. I earn less and I get less after tax. It doesn't mean he should be taxed to a point where we have the same take home pay. Is that what you are suggesting? We are in absolute complete and total disagreement if you are.

Blueberties · 16/08/2011 19:05

State education was just as crap? I don't think so. Universities weren't complaining they had to give undergraduates remedial courses back then. It's not about money, it's about policy, streaming, exclusion, rigour, expectations and so on. In fact you get some community Afro-Carribean spokespeople saying their community has been let down by the softening of education and lowering of standards for black children in some misguided sympathy effort.

Blueberties · 16/08/2011 19:07

The UK doesn't lack basic unskilled jobs, it had loads but nobody born here wanted them because the pay didn't compare to the benefits for the effort involved.

maypole1 · 16/08/2011 19:30

Blueberties my son in general is well behaved but one lunch time he decided to eat sone poor child's lunch When on a school trip.

I was very cross but more so with the school hardly even told him off I actually had to come down the school to explain that you need to nip things in the bud and actually discipline him

I actually had to supervise the teacher to make sure she was much more strict with him and apologised to the poor boy properly

I hate liberal attitudes towards discipline and actually want my son to be told off when he is wrong by will they do it like he'll they will

Lucky my sons new school dose not suffer fools and is more on my wave length in terms of discipline .
I don't blame people for sending their children else were to be educated

What the he'll did labour do they emasculated our teachers

Snuppeline · 16/08/2011 22:17

Gosh this thread raises so many issues its hard to know where to start!

I agree firstly with Hardgoing that it is unfair to blame EE for 'taking british jobs' when they arrived during the good times and none natives weren't taking them!

I'm truly sympathetic to some of the persons here who have health problems they are bravely dealing with. It is very sad and for some deeply unfair that they are classed as less or non-disabled when they clearly have problems. But I believe the cuts are necessary as to my mind the country is broke. Whether the cuts are the right ones or timely etc is a subject for a different thread... In fact if I understand the financial news correctly the whole of Europe is stairing into the abyss and we may all be on rations soon...

Are there enough jobs? There doesn't appear to be enough jobs, due to lack of economical investment (to create jobs) and perhaps due to lack of skills/experience fit for individual people. However, if you take a look at the last recessions (80s and 90s) you'll find that there were more entrepreneurs who came out of those times than at other times. When there aren't jobs some people create their own. Not possible for everyone but it should be a possibility for a lot more people than at present - it certainly is something we should encourage our young to think about.

If there aren't jobs here what should the unemployed do? Personally I think they have to go out there in the wider national and global economy and try to find a job. Its what the irish have done for centuries and its what the EE have been doing recently. It works. Yes its a bugger for family life etc but when needs must... Certainly for young people there shouldn't be any excuse but to go out.

My family are leaving soon - or splitting up due to work is perhaps a better description! My current contract at a university ends on the 30th of September and I've no new contract. To find work I went for interviews abroad and me and dd are now moving to a different european country shortly where I've been offered a job (though not for a good number of months) but my dp will continue to work in the UK (his work isn't that movable). So our family will be split in two families with me and dd in one country and dp in another but its what we have to do.

Things are really getting tough arent' they?

Snuppeline · 16/08/2011 22:22

Loudlass I'm particularly sorry for the situation your in and wanted to suggest a few things that you could perhaps do to earn a little bit on the side, and perhaps be able to make something more substantial from in time? Are you good at any crafts? I understand there is a market for textiles and also for nicely crafted bits of household things (anything from a tea cosy to furniture). Could you do something and try selling it in the local classified's on ebay or similar?

Maybe your good at baking and could start baking for occations? I suppose your not able to babysit due to own childcare needs but perhaps you could look into respite care for ill/disabled children?

Can't think of anymore things but hope things look up for you soon.

Kallista · 17/08/2011 06:40

Blueberties - well my state education WAS just as crap - less people got to uni from my old school than now. That's because we had teachers not turning up to lessons, unable to keep discipline in large classes, & intimidation in the classrooms towards any pupil who actually was keen to learn. Also learning difficulties were ignored then too - i know men who are dyslexic but weren't helped at all by their schools so they achieved no GCSEs.
Snuppeline - re: travelling / moving for jobs away from your home town - sadly it seems a lot more people will have to do this - just as economic migrants from the EU & the 3rd World countries have done for years. In fact when I traced my family tree the surprising thing I noticed was how much the English & Scottish members of my family relocated around the country - often individually - while searching for work between 1890 & 1950. I also have lots of friends & colleagues whose families moved to my area from the North of England 20 or 30 years ago to get work.

Blueberties · 17/08/2011 06:46

Goodness = it must be true for everyone if it's true for you.

lachesis · 17/08/2011 17:44

Unemployment has risen even more, but I'm sure it's because they are all feckless scroungers .

Kallista · 17/08/2011 18:46

Blueberties - I haven't said or implied that - i've only described the experiences of me & people i know when we grew up.
Lachesis - i would never imply all unemployed are 'scroungers' - as it can happen to anyone, especially in a recession.
It's sad that some people may feel they have to leave their hometowns & friends to get jobs.

Blueberties · 18/08/2011 06:08

yes, you did, you saisad the state education system was just as bad under the Tories

no - it wasn't

it wasn't great but it wasn't as shite as it is now and it really is truly shite now

lachesis · 18/08/2011 08:54

It doesn't appear this grand Tory-education system taught proper punctuation and capital letter use in your case, Blue.

Thistledew · 18/08/2011 17:43

I think that it is inevitable that people will have to move to where the work is. Globalisation is an intrinsic part of life now and we like to reap the benefits it. The sheer amount of cheap clothing and electrical goods that we all buy now has multiplied rapidly over the past 30 or so years, and there are not many people who would willingly give up the ability to buy so much so cheaply.

It is an inevitable fact that globalisation of the supply of goods and services means that jobs go to wherever the money-makers say they need to, not where might necessarily be most convenient for the people willing to do them.

If we want free movement of goods, we have to expect free movement of people as well.

Blueberties · 18/08/2011 20:39

I was educated under Labour. Am extremely old.

lachesis · 18/08/2011 20:45

The latter is patently obvious.

Blueberties · 18/08/2011 20:47

if only you knew

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