My elderly neighbour told me the riots have set black people fifty years back

[sundayrose10]

Saw me coming back this evening so stopped me for a chat. Said black people have no chance now they have truly fucked up. (hmm yeah, cos we are allllllllllllllllllllllllll the same)

Is it unreasonable for me to think he could have had tact considering I am black myself

I might teach him a lesson and not buy his Mail on Sunday for him any more. He is normally a sane(ish) person.

In fact - Dulwich village isn't even middle-class, it's - 'fuck off unless you're an upper-class multi-millionaire' - (Margaret Thatcher lived there) - it's never been anything else - same for parts of Clapham.

FreudianSlipper"...the vast majority of younger people do not feel this way they have grown up in a multi cultural society so do not have the them and us mentality"

sorry posted too soon

Point was that there is little basis for assuming the vast majority of younger people have grown up in a multi cultural society.

that is dullwich village not east dulwich, that was areas around clapham common not clapham junction

all areas are now very very expensive to buy and ed and cj are certainly not working class areas anymore

that was in response to what the old man had said, looking at mn i may have to rethink that but most people i know do not think that way

yeah sunshine its so haaaaaard being white isn't it?

Alienation isn't the same as poverty. The general strike 1926 wasrun by unions whose members made their decisions democratically, so the authorityof those organisations was accepted.The 26 strike was not a riot, it was organised, disciplined resistance. This doesn't apply now, there's no accountability when there's no youth clubs, EMA, housing, jobs, coinstant worship of consumerism etc.

The point is - the rioters are not all living in poor deprived areas ( I've never been to Hackney so can't comment on that area ) - most of them are living side by side very affluent people, using the same transport links - using the same shops, breathing the same air, going to the same schools - a community is the area as a whole - not a few isolated streets -

Ah, but not doubt those more affluent rioters will say they were doing it on behalf of their poorer deprived friends...

going to the same schools

that is simply not true in clapham and dulwich there are large number of prep schools, and those that are not are divided they shouldn't be but they are

they may live in the same area but their lives are worlds apart

do you live in clapham carm?

and the areas do change around east dulwich high street where the majority of shops are it is all very nice and clean, walk around the corner and towards peckham it is suddenly not so nice, not so clean, looks run down money is being invested now property is going up strange that

I don't live in Clapham now - but I grew up off Lavender Hill ( my mum still lives there ) - plus have family in Dulwich and Camden -

oh dear hope your mums is not too near the high street

She's fine thank you - going over there tonight.

Freudian Slipper - I don't think it's right to say that all CJ is an expensive area, unless it's changed enormously since I moved out. If you go north, two minutes walk from the station puts you in the midst of 2 large social housing estates (Este Road and Winstanley, and Kambala is only about 5 minutes further on).

Why do racists ALWAYS make the following comment:

"I'm not racist (I have black friends)"......They all say it.

FreudianSlipper

Fair enough.

I suppose we all, to a greater or lesser extent, tend to judge "society" by our own circle of friends, neighbours and the like.

I have never lived in a city so it's difficult for me to understand what a (supposedly) 'multi cultural' society is like.

Every race was out there and there have been comments from the police this morning saying those arrested are a mixed bunch.

From the images and vids in the media I have seen a mixture of colour, in areas which have a higher population of black people it stands to reason there would also be a higher representation of them rioting as well. Saw a much higher 'white' presence in Manchester, Liverpool etc, this is not a race problem.

What I notice is that people often see only 'minorities' and ignore the rest because it is easy to blame them. The neighbour is an idiot and those spouting his views are just the same.

People seem to be in shock about the video of the injured boy who was helped up only to be robbed by a white teen by the way.

I don't see people saying this has set men back x number of years nor do I see people saying these things when we do something similar (NI)? Where are the people talking about white behaviour when EDL are about or Football hooligans? that's right no where. Suddenly we notice the colour of peoples skin when they are different from our own.

Yes there is number of black criminals at least they don't have many peodophiles in their number though and most of their crime is related to poverty, don't forget though that the majority of criminals are white and the worst ethnic group academically in schools is white working class males.

I say this and I am not black myself just totally annoyed

I didn't disappear, just had a mad day today. Off to read thread/reply

Do we have to take a test before posting then, y' know, to make sure our knowledge of the subject is sufficient?

Sorry, lost a page or 10 between sunshine's post about someone else not knowing enough about the situation. I have given myself a beer bollocking for being such a div.

Neighbour is in his late 60. He normally catches me when I am on my way out on Sunday and politely asks me to get him the Mail if I can. I shall make a mistake the next time and get him the Observer

Some good points being made on the thread. Sunshine

I think we can all agree that the people who took part in the riots, were absolutely disgraceful, appalling, violent and disrespectful violent thugs whatever their racial/ gender/ age/ social status is.

And OP your neighbour is BVVVU and bloody rude with it.

I heard a well made point on the radio the day before the riots spread to Croydon and parts of south London, which was that when you had the student demos/ riots whichever way you look at it, no-one said anything about "all those white kids". I'm just saying

The riots themselves have not set the cause of black people back 50 years.

The representation of said riots in the media however ... well, I wouldn't be surprised if (sadly) your neighbour is right.

Of course the rioters just represented the demographic of the areas in which they took place but if certain papers can find a reason for demonising the dreaded 'black youth' then they will.

Of all teenagers black males are the most likely to be excluded from school, the least likely to get good GCSEs, the least likely to go to uni, the most likely to get involved in gang violence etc. But they are also the most likely to live in severely disadvantaged areas and families.

Society's attitude towards young black men and the behaviour/achievement of young black men. Cause and effect. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?!

My children are mixed race and I'm selfishly glad that they're both girls.

^Why do racists ALWAYS make the following comment:

"I'm not racist (I have black friends)"......They all say it.^

That comment about not caring whether someone's green with pink spots always seems to come up too...