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to think that the riots in Tottenham are not in respect of

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M0naLisa · 07/08/2011 23:51

the bloke shot?

They are acting if not worse than the reason this guy was killed in the first place.

The police must have had their reasoning for shooting him dead. He was known to the police, they had been following him. And on his body there was a fire arm on him. Hmm so the rioters saying 'were doing this out of respect'

No your not your doing it to complete and utter arseholes. If he wouldnt have been shot by police he could have gone on to shoot someone else.

Think the police need to step down now and let the army take over, hose them down!! Like they do in Ireland.

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SardineQueen · 08/08/2011 19:34

birdsgottafly is what you have written is true then the met have fucked up big time and I am not surprised at the response.

SardineQueen · 08/08/2011 19:35

I hear sirens outside...

EdithWeston · 08/08/2011 19:47

I've just checked the IPCC statutory guidance - such cases in which fatal force has been used have to be referred, and the referral must take place on the day of the incident (IPCC maintains 24/7 coverage to facilitate this).

There is nothing unusual in the timings of the referral.

Salmotrutta · 08/08/2011 19:48

If the ballistics report has been issued the BBC doesn't seem to know about it yet see hear.
Who was reporting that it had been issued?

Birdsgottafly · 08/08/2011 19:50

Sardine- it has just been debated on BBC1 and this is why Boris is now getting his arse home, instead of phoning. The partner of the shot man called for quiet and an end to the riots, she was clearly greiving.

SardineQueen · 08/08/2011 19:55

I have seen on BBC that its a guardian report that says the bullet that hit the police officer was a police bullet.

I just saw his partner on the TV as well, poor woman.

Salmotrutta · 08/08/2011 19:55

God, watching the live BBC News reports I wonder how thinly stretched the police are trying to stop this spreading.

wigglesrock · 08/08/2011 19:57

EdithWeston agree just double checked, am in NI we have the Ombudsman instead of IPCC, they would be at scene within an hour if a police firearm was discharged. In fact in the majority of cases they would actually direct the scene of crime officers as to what way to photograph evidence, sketch etc.

Birdsgottafly · 08/08/2011 20:02

Are the police trying to stop it all, though, the burning of some of the flats will certainly clear out a few 'rats nests'.

Even the news reporter was asking, how can they stand filming for 15 minutes, and theres no sign of the police.

Empusa · 08/08/2011 20:06

"Even the news reporter was asking, how can they stand filming for 15 minutes, and theres no sign of the police."

There's quite a lot going on tonight in case they hadn't noticed Hmm

TheLadyEvenstar · 08/08/2011 20:08

Sad can I come and live with someone out of peckham please? [crying]

niceguy2 · 08/08/2011 20:15

Even if they confirm the bullet was a police bullet, it still doesn't excuse the rioting now. This is not some protest, this is just opportunistic thieving.

And if Duggan did get shot then this is more than likely out of a tragic mistake than some police assassination. Worst case an officer opened up mistakenly believing Duggan was about to shoot. They don't deploy armed police unless there's a solid chance the suspect is tooled up. The fact another gun was recovered seems to back that up. In which case perhaps Duggan should have thought of the likely police response before he tooled up.

Empusa · 08/08/2011 20:17

"Even if they confirm the bullet was a police bullet, it still doesn't excuse the rioting now. This is not some protest, this is just opportunistic thieving."

Exactly.

I'd be surprised if even 1% of the rioters are doing this because of Duggan.

SardineQueen · 08/08/2011 20:45

If what the family, friends and partner of Duggan are saying holds any water, then the Met have monumentally cocked up and have triggered what we are seeing now.

It's not a matter of "excuses" its a matter of who did what and what it led to.

Most of the recent police shootings of people that I can think of have turned out to be a "mistake" TBH it's not good enough. What happened with JC Menezes, Ian Tomlinson, the police covering the id numbers and lying about events, it looks like they were selling info to the papers - it doesn't exactly do anything for their reputation, and something like this happens and there are consequences.

I really really hope that it turns out that the shooting of this man was justified and that there were excellent reasons for their (lack of) action afterwards towards his family.

janelikesjam · 08/08/2011 20:55

I do agree, Sardine Queen, though I hate to say it. I don't think its a justification, but abject stupidity by the Met is a real handicap.

MacGuffin · 08/08/2011 20:58

Ken Livingstons talk of 'Millionaires in the cabinet' not helping - is erm...not helping really.

adamschic · 08/08/2011 21:30

The shooting was a trigger for hitting back at the despair that many people are feeling. The economic crisis and loss of jobs, cutting services, taking away opportunities for poorer children to get a higher education. If you take from people who have the little to start with then trouble will brew.

Doesn't help when everyday there are news reports of the rich including the MP's voting in this crap, ripping off the country either.

It happened the last time the Tories were in.

Empusa · 08/08/2011 22:00

"The shooting was a trigger for hitting back at the despair that many people are feeling."

I'd say it's more an excuse than a trigger

mayorquimby · 08/08/2011 22:21

"The shooting was a trigger for hitting back at the despair that many people are feeling. The economic crisis and loss of jobs, cutting services, taking away opportunities for poorer children to get a higher education. If you take from people who have the little to start with then trouble will brew.

Doesn't help when everyday there are news reports of the rich including the MP's voting in this crap, ripping off the country either.

It happened the last time the Tories were in."

Nicking a few pairs of trainers from JD sports and burning your neighbours out of their house will sort this out.

EdithWeston · 08/08/2011 22:36

It happened in the 70s too - not the Tories.

It happened in France, under the socialists.

It happens for a multitude of reasons.

Most of the people affected by current cuts are not out thieving and burning.

Disaffection with your lot in life is not an excuse to smash shop windows and nick trainers, handbags, phones and TVs.

adamschic · 08/08/2011 23:38

It's not about nicking trainers though is it and it's shortsighted of anyone to think it is.

I don't remember the 70's riots tbh.

mayorquimby · 08/08/2011 23:42

No your right, it's to 'get our taxes back innit'
www.youtube.com/user/MarkStoneSkyNews#p/u/11/sXcI-NL3Tro

Empusa · 08/08/2011 23:42

"It's not about nicking trainers though is it and it's shortsighted of anyone to think it is. "

Maybe someone should tell the looters Hmm

DaisyDaresYOU · 09/08/2011 00:01

Oh fgs I cant believe people are defending these rioters.Im pissed off with the cuts etc as is everyone else but we havent gone out ruining buisness shops,scaring comunities.If they coudnt get jobs before they certaintly won't now.What with shps and propertys ruined.Its fucking disgusting.I feel sorry for the innocent people that have lost homes,possessions and buisnesses.They are the real victims.

NotADudeExactly · 09/08/2011 00:08

Not defending anyone or anything, I'm sitting at home feeling really nervous after hearing that there may be something happening close to here.

That having been said: if our society is one where a significant (albeit proportionally small) number of people seems to have nothing better to do/no better perspectives/whatever than this means we have a fucking problem alright! And it does need looking into. Not excusing but looking into.