In thinking that Jo Frost should shut the fuck up about breastfeeding

[spudulika]

... as she clearly knows nothing about it.

If you want proof have a look at the new Jo Frost magazine (no need to buy it of course, just do what I do - rifle through it at the supermarket ). Article on breastfeeding 'how long, and when to stop'.

She seems to think that 'weaning' means stopping breastfeeding.

And she feels the need to say 'I'm the biggest fan of breastfeeding, but I don't think mothers should be made to feel like the scum of the earth for not doing it. Whatever choice you make is fine!' To which I want to respond: if I wanted to read vapid platitudes about breastfeeding I'd go to Netmums. It's free. Whereas your magazine costs... bloody loads.

It's just not asseptable.

She needs to pull her socks up.

"continue for the WHO 2 years"

and beyond!

Jo frost should shut the fuck up about everything.

She's no expert and her 'advice' is usually naive, often bordering on damaging.

WHO recommends as long as mother and child want to feed I mean. But everyone seems to quote 2 years exactly

Whatever choice a mother makes between bf and ff IS fine. FF mothers SHOULDN'T be made to feel like the scum of the earth for not bf.

I don't see your problem with the quote you picked out. It's logical and humane. You on the other hand, bitchy much?

YABU. In so many ways. :)

"Do you want to provide some examples of where women are 'berated' and 'badgered' to breastfeed? Other than the rare voice which is heard (and quickly shouted down) on an Internet forum?"

I think you're familiar with mn's "breast/bottle feeding" forum. If you pop in there you can see "1000" posts where someone asks for advice wrt FF and gets advised to "call a lactivist". "Doncha wanna ejumakate yerself yer wicked witch?".

The denial just belittles your cause frankly.

And you know that do you, op? That it isn't a speech problem?

Whatever the reason, you are taking the piss, and it isn't attractive.

It is just her view-you don't have to buy the magazine.

I cannot abide the bloody woman.

However I agree wholeheartedly with her bf comment.

Her view is pretty much in line with every health professional out there...breast is best, give it a go, don't beat yourself up if it doesn't work out.

I am really failing to se why that is such a bad message.

foreveronadiet where on earth do you get your 'faxts' from the bf beyond six months has considerably less benefits? Again another ignorant poster spouting absolute rubbish

Oh of course - formula or cows milk are so much more beneficial
I do wish people like you - who haven't a clue what you are on about - would just be quiet. Of course bf is beneficial after six months, the benefits it gave before continue and as a baby becomes a toddler the milk becomes more concentrated (more like colostrum) giving an amazing amount of goodness with each feed. Bf also helps babies and toddlers beyond six months cope with teething, tummy upsets etc not to mention the reduced risk of gastroenteritis, diabetes, asthma, ezcema and even cancer

so please please please foreveronadiet - please don't spout absolute horseshit and talk about things you clearly know nothing about

Oh and this is not about telling people they should bf, it is just about telling people bf is an excellent choice for beyond six months too

I think Jo Frost should shut the f**k up full stop.

Facts of course not faxts - iPhone

Your foreveronadiet idiotic ramblings have hurt my brain

I don't much like anything she says on any part of child-rearing: the naughty step etc etc . All bollocks and retrograde.

I couldn't see anything wrong with the message. Breast feeding is best, it is better to a little than none and don't beat yourself up if you can't manage it-seems fine.

Hands up anyone cross on this thread who's actually read what she says in that article?

I wouldn't read it-my whole argument-you don't have to!

Jo frost isn't a childcare professional in the sense that she has any qualifications. She has had no fromal training... Just experience.

"Her view is pretty much in line with every health professional out there...breast is best, give it a go, don't beat yourself up if it doesn't work out.

I am really failing to se why that is such a bad message."

Most women who stop bf because 'it doesn't work out' COULD have continued if they'd had better support and advice.

It's bloody infuriating that those who are supposed to be providing that support, help and advice, AND AREN'T DOING IT PROPERLY go around spouting advice like "Don't beat yourself up if it doesn't work out for you'.

I think what they're actually saying goes something like this: "Yes - you probably had a horrible time breastfeeding because you didn't have the right advice, help and support. But please don't feel bad about it. Because it makes me feel bad about failing you. Far better that we all insist it doesn't actually matter how your baby is fed, because that lets us off the hook professionally.

Oh, and I know it's really bloody confusing that we spout off about the benefits of breastfeeding - reducing the incidence of breast cancer in mothers and keeping some babies out of hospital, and then in the next breath saying that how a baby is fed is irrelevant but get used to it. When it comes to the 'great infant feeding debate', platitudes, conflicting advice, and defensive blustering are the order of the day."

"If you pop in there you can see "1000" posts where someone asks for advice wrt FF and gets advised to "call a lactivist". "Doncha wanna ejumakate yerself yer wicked witch?"."

What - your evidence that there is widespread PUBLIC, OFFICIAL and SOCIALLY SANCTIONED criticism of women who don't breastfeed is to refer to a couple of stupid comments on the breast and bottlefeeding board on mumsnet?

I rest my case.

"She has had no fromal training"

She did an NNEB at Nescot about 20 years ago.

I also wish that people who don't understand bfing would be quiet about it. I'm a breast feeding counsellor and have supported women who really want to breast feed, but have been sabotaged by often daft advice from people who aren't up to date.

Wrong information on TV gets to so many people, women who may in the future really want to breast feed their babies. It matters.

If you don't want to breast feed, then just don't. It is none if my business, I just get cross when bottle feeding culture undermines those who do want to breast feed.

"2 years and beyond"

And even up to 13 years and adulthood.

Are the kids she has on her show nt? My dd aged 4 who has asd is not as bad as some if them, actually she's a little angel in comparison

"I don't much like anything she says on any part of child-rearing: the naughty step etc etc . All bollocks and retrograde."

Have you watched SuperNanny USA?

She takes families who clearly have no social support, are struggling with working incredibly long hours outside the home , while trying to cope with (sometimes large numbers of) children who often appear to be emotionally damaged and/or have undiagnosed ASD and gives them a formula which she argues with solve all their problems, as long as it's applied consistently.

How often do you hear her say 'actually your circumstances are incredibly difficult and it's no surprise you're not coping'. She never, ever mentions external support. She brings it all back down to individual parenting decisions. It's a betrayal of parents and of children not to acknowledge the social challenges that can make having a happy family really difficult.

Spud- I really don't think she did. Try searching for it. She honestly has no qualifications.

spudlika she didn't. She may have studied but she didn't qualify. There are numerous interviews out there all of which state she is an unqualified nanny with no formal qualifications in childcare. I'm sure I read somewhere she fell into nannying but wanted to be an actress...