How miserable are you that the Tories are in power?

[sundayrose10]

I feel tense and twitchy. I used to enjoy reading the politic section/ other political forums, but I fear if I keep on going there and reading more and more about Tory plans, I will give myself a heart attack.

I loath them but worst I fear them. I am anxious for this country and the ordinary man and woman.

Dave makes me feel insane with hatred.

I have a colleague who is in love with the Tories. I don't share biscuits with him any more.

Dave makes me itch. All over.

I retract that last post. I didn't notice you mentioned the G8.

No problem. The Mail is always bang on the money.

Claig: "I haven't got time to google the historical figures, I can't remember where they all are. "

Once again claig, why let the facts get in the way of a good story eh? :o

Sure, CurrySpice, you're always right.

YANBU YANBU

The Tories are similar to the grim reapers; they come in, destroy any infastructure that was being built up for children, the elderly, teachers, nurses, doctors and use that old excuse that it was labours fault. Their cuts in education are disgusting, particularly primary schools. People forget it was the Tories who destroyed unions (now a dirty word), privatised the railways and cut all spending on transport.
Having said that, I went to university under a Tory government, but how things have changed. I don't get an uncontrollable itch for DC - I get a shot of hatred for them. As for the lib Dems - don't get me started on the soggy wet lettuce that is their political party.

girlwithaspade You are so right. Same as it ever was IME

What infrastructure are the Tories "destroying"?

Do you concede that cuts have to be made? Where do you think they should be made?

What cuts in primary schools, please?

I'ma governor in an state primary in an affluent area and we haven't had a penny in funding cut.

Schools in poor areas have had their funding INCREASED considerably under the Evil Tories pupil premium which actually disadvantages the well off. Every free school meal = £500 a year so those in deprived areas are funded far better than those in afflluent areas.

How does that stack up with your rant that the Evil Tories are destroying infrastructure?
Honestly, some people need to read a bit instead of frothing at their catsarsedLeftie mouths.

There are a number of people querying why people on benefits or the low paid shouldnt be allowed to have as many children as they like. Well the answer is only if you can afford them, only if you dont deliberatly get pregnant with no partner and no visble means of support and take some responsibility back for your decisions - not expect others to fund your choices.
We stopped at 2 children. Our lifestyle and choices would have changed if we had more - so we didnt! There is no reason now to have children that are unplanned..

If you are living on benefits then I believe you can have a two bedroom house (funded by us!) but no more, no more child benefit, no demands for a bigger house, more support and help etc.

What happened to the shift in perception of reality vs. entitlement.

I was born in the 70s, as I'm sure many of you were. My parents had 2 children, most mums were SAHMs. My mum wanted more children but they couldn't afford it. This was normal and accepted.

What changed now that if we dare suggest someone "live within their means" we get a barrage of abuse and then "eugenics bingo"? :(

Alpine - 100% agree with you. Where has all this 'I can do what I like, when I like!' come from.

If I chose to have 5 children I wouldnt in a million years expect someone else to fund it. We are going down a slippery slope. My mother who has worked for 40 years lives in the borough where the Afgan family were housed. Mum's council tax is £1200 per year. The rent of this house was £12,000 per month!!! It would take 10 years of Mum's council tax to pay the rent for ONE MONTH. Surely this isnt right?

The line that is always trotted out when anyone dares to suggest that having yet another child when you can't afford the ones you have is, " Oh, so now only the rich can have children?".

Because, yeah, that's EXACTLY what we are all saying.

Here's my easy Child Affordability Calculator.

Can you pay for all food, clothing, school trips, heat and light for your children using most , if not all, your own earnings with only taxpayers money as a small top up or without any top up at all?

If the answer is yes, then you can afford the children you have .
If the answer is no, you need substantial credits/benefits to support your children, may I recommend Durex?

At last claig you've said something I agree with

except when you're wrong, which is most of the ...

You had to spoil it didn't you! :o

you know me, I'm a stickler for facts

Here's a Haiku poem for you about that:

Claig likes facts as much
As Thatcher loved unions
That's not very much

Now that's fact

Clag, you really are all over the place

You're a right wing Thatcherite Daily Mail obsessive who believes in socialist style protectionism / expansion of the state and doesn't believe NuLabour overspent or that it would have been much different if the Tories had been in power.

Oh, and who believes that the green movement is a front for a shadowy right wing(!!!) elite of billionaires who want to destroy their wealth and the global economy along with it in order to further their one true goal of reducing the amount of peasants in the world.

What I find confusing with the socialists amongst us is that their argument pretty much goes like this:

There is no financial crisis. We have plenty of money (insert biased link here to some blog here). It's all a conspiracy from the rich to keep the workers poor. If there is a crisis then it's all the bloody bankers fault we've no money any more so they should fix it and not make the workers pay.....except wait...there wasn't a crisis because there's clearly plenty of money......erm erm.....

Socialism doesn't work. Great idea in theory, crap in practice. The left always seem to think that if they go even more to the left that they will somehow make others see the light and that their way is superior. Unfortunately most people don't want to be "equal" and earn the same as everyone else. Most people just want to be left alone to provide the best they can for their family.

They neatly ignore that every country which has experimented with politics of the left has failed miserably. Ok capitalism isn't great and I do hope one day we find something better. But until then to me, it's clearly the lesser of the two evils.

"What I find confusing with the socialists amongst us is that their argument pretty much goes like this:"

I won't bother with copying the waffle underneath that because it's a load of reductive strawman nonsense.

"They neatly ignore that every country which has experimented with politics of the left has failed miserably"

Yes, I'm sure all those scandinavian countries looked on in envy at just how successfull George Bush's economic policies were and wish they were in the financial shape the US finds itself in.

My friend works in social housing. She told me the attitude and phrase trotted out day in day out for a larger house etc "but I am entitled". and I am in agreement with Retro houswife.

That is my MIL alemci.

She has never done a minutes work in her entire life. She has never earned a penny or paid a penny in tax or been supported by a husband.

She is now in her seventies and talks about what she is " entitled" to.

She is and always has been a parasite.

I am too alemci. This sense of entitlement comes from years and years of apologists on behalf of the left who, basically, helped create a society in which - on a grand scale - there are people who simply refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

'I am entitled' what a great phase! If you were only entitled to a 2 bed room house, child benefit for 2 children and then perhaps you would think more carefully how many children to have or who you had your children with. I dont blame the women necessarily. Why wouldnt they take take take. Or the people who say that they dont mind paying more taxes (the Treasury will take your cheque willingly).

Until there are real consequences to your choices (good and bad) no one will change or think twice about what they are doing - why should they? And do we really think that the feckless and workshy spend the money on their children or on themselves....