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How miserable are you that the Tories are in power?

813 replies

sundayrose10 · 08/07/2011 09:25

I feel tense and twitchy. I used to enjoy reading the politic section/ other political forums, but I fear if I keep on going there and reading more and more about Tory plans, I will give myself a heart attack.

I loath them but worst I fear them. I am anxious for this country and the ordinary man and woman.

Dave makes me feel insane with hatred.

I have a colleague who is in love with the Tories. I don't share biscuits with him any more.

Dave makes me itch. All over.

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Chen23 · 09/07/2011 11:09

"I knew Oliver Goldsmith, Oliver Goldsmith was a friend of mine, Chen23, Oliver Goldsmith was no progressive."

No he was a gambling addict who died with massive debts; good choice for a financial guru Wink

In any case I'm guessing you meant James Goldsmith, who made his billions in GLOBAL finance and who I very much doubt would have been a fan of state subsidising private companies.

claig · 09/07/2011 11:11

Yes I deliberately threw in Oliver to confuse you and see if you could spot the error. Yes, I meant James Goldsmith.

claig · 09/07/2011 11:15

'No he was a gambling addict who died with massive debts'

I didn't realised he worked in the City on a derivatives desk.

claig · 09/07/2011 11:17

He must have taken a wrong turn, he was never like that when I knew him.

Carminagetsprimal · 09/07/2011 11:20

I love Zac - a millionaire environmentalist.

claig · 09/07/2011 11:25

I like Zac, but am not keen on his environmentalism. He is of course Sir James Goldsmith's son.

claig · 09/07/2011 11:27

Zac was editor of 'The Ecologist' founded by his uncle Teddy Goldsmith.

yellabelly · 09/07/2011 11:28

ZACi now a blue tory first and a green second. Get real

Chen23 · 09/07/2011 11:29

So you really are saying the owners of these companies want the world less reliant on their products and their companies crippled with higher taxes and greater regulation in order to further their population reducing, global economy destroying agenda?

yellabelly · 09/07/2011 11:33

companies will go where the money. Short termist big business. Zac is playing silly buggers

claig · 09/07/2011 11:33

Teddy Goldsmith being influential in the PEOPLE party that led to today's Green Party.

'The Green Party of England and Wales was created in 1990 when the former UK Green Party, which itself had grown out of the 1970s? PEOPLE party, devolved into separate parties for Scotland, Northern Ireland, and England and Wales.'

claig · 09/07/2011 11:35

'ZACi now a blue tory first and a green second. Get real'

thank you yellabelly, we can only hope so.

Carminagetsprimal · 09/07/2011 11:36

It's possible to be a bit of a mix politically, most people are - I'm right wing but have my communist moments.

yellabelly · 09/07/2011 11:37

yes, but if ZAC is given a ministry by cameron it will just be for show.

claig · 09/07/2011 11:45

'yes, but if ZAC is given a ministry by cameron it will just be for show.'

I hope what you say is true, yellabelly, with regards to a green agenda. But I doubt it.

Carminagetsprimal · 09/07/2011 11:49

I just wish Margaret Thatcher was still in charge - the country wouldn't be in the mess it is today - and most people would agree.
although I Wasn't mad about her at the time, in retrospect she was brilliant. ( although she made some terrible mistakes ) as I came through my communist haze, I realised she stood for a lot of what I believed in.

claig · 09/07/2011 11:51

Exactly Carminagetsprimal. She made some mistakes, but also did a lot of good.

RetroHousewife · 09/07/2011 11:56

I am simply relieved the Tories are in and labour are out.

It means that we are unlikely to go the way of Greece economically. It also means someone might finally have the guts to tackle the hideous and obscene mess that is our bloated Welfare State.

Niceguy hit the nail beautifully with his cool dad analogy. Best description of our current situation that I've read.

sunshineandbooks · 09/07/2011 11:57

I am not happy that the Tories are in (though lets not forget they are being aided and abetted by the Lib Dems). I will happily admit to being naturally left of centre, but I am not a die-hard Labour supporter and never will be.

I don't disagree with everything the Coalition are doing, and although painful in the shorter term, I think in the longer-term it could have some very positive results. What worries me is whether the collateral damage that could be done in the meantime. So many people are going to be badly hurt. A lot of them will have done everything right, but still see their lives turn to shit. Do the ends justify the means?

We do live in one of the most meritocratic countries in the world, but that does not mean everyone and anyone can make it if they just work hard enough.

Apart from fees (there weren't any) I paid my own way through university. I used to work 60-hour weeks as standard. I had to change my career when I became a single parent, because I couldn't juggle both on my own. I can't retrain because I cannot afford it. I can't go in at a lower level in a new field and offer to work for reduced payment in order to acquire skills and qualifications because I have to feed my DC and keep a roof over their heads. I can't do extra work around my current job to pay for retraining because I can't get enough childcare (no family, friends all working). I can't pay into a pension because after paying for professional childcare for my current full-time job I am left with the same money as someone on benefits.

I will turn this around, but I will have to wait for about 10 years TBH before the dependency of my children will allow it. I have just started doing some voluntary work in a sector I would like to move into because it is the only way I can choose the right number of hours at the right time of day to fit around my current commitments and finances. This will allow me to get some experience so I can hopefully shift into paid employment in 10 years time. By then, of course, I will have lost out on a decade's chance of career advancements and pay.

To anyone who calls me lazy, unmotivated and that it would all be ok if I just worked harder - I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. None. And it is deeply offensive.

And the really sad thing is that I actually have some considerable advantages - my health and a good education. What about those whose own health, or partners/child's/parent's health prevents them for chasing the £££s? What about those who do really important jobs (HCAs for example) who will never earn enough to pay for a decent pension?

claig · 09/07/2011 11:57

If they called an election today and Margaret Thatcher was standing, my guess is she would win hands down. I think even Tony Blair and Gordon Brown might vote for her.

LeQueen · 09/07/2011 11:58

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RetroHousewife · 09/07/2011 12:02

Absolutely Le Queen, absolutely.

All that happens now is that good employers offering good jobs ( DH's company has a grad salary of 25 K) are asking for Firsts or 2.1's in recognised subjects form decent unis.

A degree in Yoof Studies from Plymouth Poly University isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Sadly, those getting these degrees are usually the last to realise it.

RetroHousewife · 09/07/2011 12:04

We are already talking and thinking with our kids about their uni days. DS is okay - wants to be an equine vet and DD a showjumper .Grin

claig · 09/07/2011 12:04

sunshineandbooks, I agree with you. Everyone is going to suffer and some a lot more than others. The same would have happened under Labour. I believe some of it is ideological and would have been the same under Labour. Remember that Ed Miliband did not support the strikers. "They're all in it together".

They are implementing 'Limits to Growth', they are making cuts and forcing people to work longer and reducing pensions. The elites have decided to cut the people's rights. The same thing would have been done under Labour. It is a hold on prosperity, the people will not prosper.

Carminagetsprimal · 09/07/2011 12:05

Yes / - Tony 'hi guys' Blair really made me sick - fuck off you Islington pseudo leftie. -