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How miserable are you that the Tories are in power?

813 replies

sundayrose10 · 08/07/2011 09:25

I feel tense and twitchy. I used to enjoy reading the politic section/ other political forums, but I fear if I keep on going there and reading more and more about Tory plans, I will give myself a heart attack.

I loath them but worst I fear them. I am anxious for this country and the ordinary man and woman.

Dave makes me feel insane with hatred.

I have a colleague who is in love with the Tories. I don't share biscuits with him any more.

Dave makes me itch. All over.

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claig · 08/07/2011 20:36

CaveMum, I didn't know about the free milk thing. Interesting.

Yes it is always cheaper to mine coal in Peru or Bolivia and ship it here. The same applies to most of our manufacturing, which is why the globalists move our manufacturing offshore. But it is like cutting our own throats and destroying our own communities. It brings short-term riches to the bankers and investors and long-term poverty to the people. A race to the bottom is good for the bankers and share traders but bad for the people of the country.

claig · 08/07/2011 20:48

Very interesting. CaveMum is right about Thatcher and the free milk issue. I never knew about that. It just shows how strong the bias and propaganda of the left and even the media is in not explaining this properly to the people.
The left-wing alternative comedians at the time and the left demonised Thatcher over this issue. I am sure that some of them knew it was a lie, but that has never stopped them before or since.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2000/uk_confidential/1095121.stm

lecce · 08/07/2011 20:57

I am miserable, scared and angry. I hate what they are doing, especially given that they have no mandate and I am so depressed by the way the public seem to be so accepting of everything.

Why are there so many people on here complacently parroting away that, "there is no money left," and, "they're just clearing up Labour's mess," etc etc with absolutely no thought or understanding of anything. Why are the Britsh so docile?

These people are basically privatising the NHS and education- who gave them permission to do that? Who voted for that? Someone on here asked why it matters that the cuts are ideological. Of course it does, especially since they are not honest enough to admit it. Still, they could hardly say "We don't give a flying fuck about the poor, so here's what we're cutting.." could they?

What really makes me angry is the Labour party. They shou;d be pissing all over this shower, with their ill-thought- out policies, endless U-turns and the fact that there has been no growth since they got in. Instead, what do we get? "Red" Ed telling us off for going on strike, ffs.

I grew up with my Dad shouting at the tv whenever Thatcher came on but also at Kinnock. Looks like my dc are going to have very similar memories.

claig · 08/07/2011 21:01

'These people are basically privatising the NHS and education- who gave them permission to do that?'

Tony Blair?
They are just continuing his policies.

'what do we get? "Red" Ed telling us off for going on strike, ffs.'

They told us they're "all in it together". Instead of laughing at it, maybe we should believe it.

HHLimbo · 08/07/2011 21:01

I don't know what you lot are talking about, I love having them on the telly. It's like some sort of Ricky Gervais comedy.

"We're going to do this!"

mauricetinkler · 08/07/2011 21:02

Labour had 13 years of a growing economy and massive tax revenues to spend. They squandered obscene anounts for negligable improvements in public services. They didnt deserve to stay in power.
However...I just don't see how we can be a credible country with such a douchebag at the helm. It is embarassing. Can anybody imagine Cameron having sex with SamCam? Just try to picture it. I'm serious.

claig · 08/07/2011 21:05

'I grew up with my Dad shouting at the tv whenever Thatcher came on but also at Kinnock'

Maybe they just shout at each other across the despatch box. Maybe it's just a circus, just a show. Maybe they're "all in it together" and just hand over the baton and carry out the same policy, while continuing with the slanging and shouting show.

sundayrose10 · 08/07/2011 21:05

Where's the journalist op?

I am here, just catching up with the thread. I am not a journalist.
I still hate Dave.

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claig · 08/07/2011 21:09

Maybe they're all puppets, as someone said earlier "muppets", maybe it's the bankers who really run the show.

sundayrose10 · 08/07/2011 21:10

Vicky2011

YABU.

Fucker

How 'deep'. I hope you get the Dave effect - the itch. May it spread to your eyes as well. Ta

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ShellyBoobs · 08/07/2011 21:15

"Yes it is always cheaper to mine coal in Peru or Bolivia and ship it here. The same applies to most of our manufacturing, which is why the globalists move our manufacturing offshore. But it is like cutting our own throats and destroying our own communities. It brings short-term riches to the bankers and investors and long-term poverty to the people. A race to the bottom is good for the bankers and share traders but bad for the people of the country."

So what you're suggesting is state-subsidised manufacturing. What's the point of that?

What about specialisation and division of labour (as in work, not the party)?

If its cheaper to bring in coal than mine it, then bring it in. What's the point of paying over the odds for local products when all that achieves is an unreasonable strengthening of our currency and hence the crippling of our exports? Exports are what brings money into the country and allows us to buy things from abroad without an even bigger deficit and crippled currency.

The country hasn't become more prosperous by throwing money away on home-grown, overpriced goods. We have to find things we can offer at a competitive price (specialisation, in other words) to the rest of the world, or accept that production of something that's cheaper to source abroad means accepting its lower subjective value and hence accepting that you'll earn very little for producing it.

lecce · 08/07/2011 21:17

Claig I know you are right that it was Labour who started some of the education and health policies the Tories are now taking to extremes. I very nearly voted Liberal at the last election because I was not happy with a lot of Labour's decisions. However, then I remembered the minimum wage, tax credits, Surestart and...well, I'm sure there were some other things too.

I do believe that they improved the quality of life for many and raised many children out of poverty. It's not completely true that the gap between the rich and poor increased under Labour - the very rich grew richer and the very poor poorer but thousands in the middle did better. That seems to belie the 'fact' so often quoted on MN that Labour encouraged people to stay on benefits as a lifestyle choice and handed out plasma tvs etc.

There is no doubt in my mind that Labour would not be going about things the way the Tories are, but, that said, if there was an election tomorrow, I would be looking closely at the Green Pary manifesto now.

ziptoes · 08/07/2011 21:19

ShellyBoobs slashing university budgets is really going to help us specialise isn't it?

mauricetinkler · 08/07/2011 21:20

The elephant in the room, surely, is population growth. There are too many of us living on this dirty, shitty island. No wonder people are so hacked off.

ShellyBoobs · 08/07/2011 21:31

"slashing university budgets is really going to help us specialise isn't it?"

Err no? Of course it's not going to help.

But then I don't agree with plenty of the coalition's other policies either.

I wasn't aware we had to 'pick side's here?

I don't agree or disagree with policies simply according to whose party name is at the top of the manifesto, although it seems as though a lot of people do.

Confused
claig · 08/07/2011 21:37

'So what you're suggesting is state-subsidised manufacturing. What's the point of that?'

the point of that is to strengthen the country, provide jobs and wealth for teh citizens, invest in technology to advance production in this country and provide engineering skills to this great nation of engineers that gave the world people like Brunel, Stevenson and thousands of others. If we lose our skills, we will decline in the technological race that every nation on earth is part of. If we lose our apprenticeships, our industrial base, then we will eventually become a third world nation lorded over by the financiers in the City. We will produce nothing and destroy the prosperity that our people deserve. There will be no outlet for the inventiveness of the British people apart from financial speculation and gambling, and we have seen where that leads to.

We have become a service industry country and have deliberately destroyed our industrial base, privatised our industries and sold them off to foreign owners. We are no longer in charge of our own future but are swept along by the winds of teh global market. Some have grown rich off teh back of it, but many more will grow poor.

We have lost self-sufficiency in energy and are at the mercy of foreign producers who can cut our gas supplies off. We are no longer independent, but globally dependent.

We are not the powerhouse of Europe and may soon need handouts from Germany too. Germany is the powerhouse of Europe, the world's largest or second largest exporter, a country built on manufacturing excellence, whose firm Siemens has got teh contract that means we have this week had to shut another of our engineering companies down.

Germany is a rich country, its wealth based on exports of manufactured goods. Cars can be made cheaper in Japan, but the world still buys quality German products like BMW and Porsche.

'What's the point of paying over the odds for local products when all that achieves is an unreasonable strengthening of our currency and hence the crippling of our exports? Exports are what brings money into the country and allows us to buy things from abroad without an even bigger deficit and crippled currency.'

We pay over the odds in order to protect our industries and our people, because we think of tomorrow and not just today. We want a future for our nation, not something that will just let bankers and fat cats make hay for today.

We have destroyed our exporting manufacturing industry, we import manufactured cars and goods from abroad. We are selling our people down the river for the benefit of the global, banking financiers.

'We have to find things we can offer at a competitive price (specialisation, in other words) to the rest of the world, or accept that production of something that's cheaper to source abroad means accepting its lower subjective value and hence accepting that you'll earn very little for producing it.'

No, we have to invest in our industry and our people, not in our competitors.
If you ran a family business, would you not employ your children first, or would you invest your money and give employment to people on teh other side of the world, just because they could make the same goods cheaper.
If you do that, then you'll soon find you have no money left, and you will undergo cuts and cuts in your living standards and fall behind your competitors. Then, you will have sold your future and will be at the mercy of the IMF. You won't be strong like manufacturing giant Germany, you'll end up poor like Greece, owned lock, stock and barrel by the bankers.

niceguy2 · 08/07/2011 21:39

Lecce, Labour of course did do many good things too. Unfortunately much of this was unfunded and from borrowed money.

Old Labour's motto was tax the rich and give to the poor. New Labour realised the world had moved on from that motto so became "Borrow cash and give to the poor"

Any fool can borrow a truck full of cash then use it to make someone else's life better. The trick is to do it in a sustainable fashion and here Labour failed miserably.

claig · 08/07/2011 21:41

'The elephant in the room, surely, is population growth. There are too many of us living on this dirty, shitty island. No wonder people are so hacked off.'

mauricetinkler, don't believe the population growth lies. That's the greens, lackeys to the elite. Even in Rome the elites complained that there were too many peasants. Population growth is what gave Europe prosperity. It unleashed the inventiveness of the people. I haven't got the figures for the amount of land that is locked up and unused in this country to hand, but it is huge and in the hands of small numbers of individuals. The more people working and producing and buying goods, the more prosperity is created and the more the wealth goes round.

HHLimbo · 08/07/2011 21:43

Lecce - I agree, Labour did some fantastic things for this country. And satisfaction with the NHS was at a record high.

As things are at the moment, I would like to vote green at the next election. But because we still have FPTP, I will have to vote tactically for whoever sensible is in the lead where I live. Sigh.

randommoment · 08/07/2011 21:49

There is only thing we DO need to spend more money on and that is addiction and mental health services, people crippled by drugs/alcohol and mental illness (very often all three at the same time) are clarting up the system, whether its in prisons, inappropriate hospital wards, or making their own lives and those of the rest of us a misery out on the streets. Genuine cases should be helped. But all the rest need to have their cash benefits swapped for food tokens - with massive fines and loss of license to shops who illegally swap them for cigarettes and alcohol.

K999 · 08/07/2011 21:52

I'm Scottish. No hope of Tories ever getting into power here Smile

mauricetinkler · 08/07/2011 21:54

Well, I guess it is a whole other issue claig. I am only going on my own personal anecdotal evidence. Everything is just so bloody busy these days. Go anywhere on a weekend with kids and it is packed - anything remotely decent is just too full to be enjoyable. It's shite! And, of course, this impacts on hapiness levels. How people cope living on London, god only knows.

HHLimbo · 08/07/2011 21:55

'Nice'guy2 - get your head out of the sand. The banking crisis caused the crisis, caused by the banks.

Before that, Labour kept the books admirably balanced, and after, they supported the economy back to growth (until this lot got in!).

claig · 08/07/2011 21:56

drug addiction is destruction of the people.
Give people hope, give them real jobs with good pay, then they won't piss their lives away on drugs that lead to their destruction.

Open up factories, produce basic goods, TVs, laptops, furniture, cutlery, cooking utensils, hoovers etc. Stop importing it all from abroad, stop shipping the people's jobs abroad and stop depriving people of work, hope and wages. Then they can be productive instead of destructive. Then they'll stop snorting drugs up their noses.

K999 · 08/07/2011 21:57

Anyone can support an economy back to growth.....doing it is another matter!
Talk is cheap as they say....or in this case, very expensive!