Bloody W**NKing Tax credits! Or Government should I say

[Hai1988]

Just had my new tax credits award and have just found out that my DH's Working tax credits are being stopped as he has already had his lot for this year, £800!!!

My DH does not have a very well payed job at all and after rent and bills we have f**K all left and the weekly income of £140 really helped that is now just over £50.

So angry We need that extra £80 a week, I know it may not sound much to some but it did make a big difference to out life's.

Who ever voted Tory I hope your happy with yourselves that now so many family's are probably gonna struggle now.

Sorry not really an aibu but really needed to vent and wondered if anyone else is suffering with tax credits this year because of the dam government.

*some people put so Many self built barriers around themselves- eg only being prepared to live in the area they were born,8

Of course the thing is Janey that a few years ago this wouldn't have been a barrier. E.g. I live in a farming community. However with much of the produce being imported from abroad and elsewhere it has taken a massive knock. So lads brought up to be nothing but farmers, family tradition and all that, have no jobs or prospects. And are therefore *forced' to move away or stay and face the consequences. BUT they can't move away without a job and/or without a place to live, they can't afford it. So they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Many do go to college to try and improve their lot but with limited jobs in other fields too here it's a no win situation.

Im confused now unpaid! Are you in favour of nepotism and 'jobs for the boys' or not??
You are talking about 'lads being brought up to be farmers'- because their fathers were farmers, it runs in the family etc ....and how unfair it is that this opportunity no longer exists- but Thats no different to doctors or lawyers getting their children in through the back door. Different job and pay rates - but exactly the same principle of jobs because of where you live, what your father does. Actually it was similar to the miners in the 70s and 80s - hugely well paid work while it lasted, but the downside being that it was seen as an automatic 'right' to step into the job if your father and grandfather did it.
So- do you agree with nepotism or not? Seems a tad inconsistent to complain about it on the one hand but bemoan the loss of farming communities and people stepping into jobs automatically!

Personally I think social mobility is a good thing , and I like to think that my children might end up anywhere in the world working in any job. Hopefully something they feel passionate about- but whatever job they can get if not. None of us have a god given right to a particular level of job in a particular location

Only flicked through, but it seems some of the posters on here are possibly in favour of communism.

"Only flicked through, but it seems some of the posters on here are possibly in favour of communism."

Looks a bit that way, doesn't it?

Rather scarily.

I think they think they are. If they were to live in a communist regime, they'd probably be the first to whine that there was no incentive to take on the stress and responsibility of a dangerous and difficult job, because they'd be paid the same and have the same standard of living as someone with a dead easy stress free role! I am shocked by the naivety of some posters frankly, who post about what they want without any understanding of economics or how that could be achieved

P.s I guess their response to that would be that they have the ideals, and it's someone elses job to explain how to make them work in reality. Ah, that famous someone else. So easy to expect them to provide all the answers!

No Janey it is not the same at all.
A child brought up on a farm to take over the role of farmer when his father becomes incapacitated or dies is not the same as Daddy being a judge and his colleagues patting you on the right shoulder (as they did until fairly recently) to show that you are also now a judge.
The justice system would not collapse if you did not get that job as a judge because daddys colleagues didn't pat you on the back. Whereas a farm may well end up being closed if there is not work there for the son to take over.
I don't see how you can compare the two. They are incomparible.

And minors certainly weren't that well paid. Most lived in small cheap (often tied) rented cottages and took their lives in their hands everytime they went to work. I'd want a helluva lot more than that to risk my life everyday!

Communism would not work. Although I love the theory of it, everyone equal etc but in reality it never happens like that (Animal Farm springs to mind).

Rubbish- its absolutely the same! Village lads being raised to work on the land, miners raising the sons with the expectation that they will walk into a well paid (yes, miners were exceptionally well paid- you need to look at the facts. They may have lived in small cheap housing but they had disposable incomes beyond the imagination of many professionals in the 70s/ 80s). That's exactly the Same principle as people in higher paid professions having an easier route into a livelihood. You just don't like it because in one case it involves well paid professionals (ie in simplistic narrow minded terms) = BAD whereas good old salt of the earth miners and labourers = GOOD!

Unpaid - think it is exactly as janey says. How can you 'reserve' your farmers job for your son and effectively exclude everyone else and then say that a judge cannot do the same. I dont think either are right btw.

Nor 'me rocky. I am not justifying either. I just think worse than justifying it, is thinking it's ok for one but not the other.

You just don't like it because in one case it involves well paid professionals (ie in simplistic narrow minded terms) = BAD whereas good old salt of the earth miners and labourers = GOOD!

I neither like nor dislike it Janey! Just stating the facts is all. I'm not a farmer, neither am I a lawyer/judge.
I'm not braun enough for one and not clever enough for the other.
Guess I'm fair to middling for both.
However, the comparison is a ridiculous one. You can disagree, that's your right of course the same as it is mine to disagree with your opinions.
You won't change my mind the same as i doubt I'd convince you so leave it at that.
These debates as I said previously go around and around and get nowhere, nothing changes however much we all might think it should/want it to.
The only ones who can change things are those in power; the politicians/CEO's/big corporations who fund the govt and so on.
And none of them give a flying fart anyway about anyone other than themselves, so nothing will change for the better in the gret scheme of things.

I do understand all about Economics. As it happens I have a BA Hons degree in Applied Economics.

There are many problems with our economic system. We don't have perfect competition, very far from it. We have an economy rife with monopolistic abuses and powerful vested interests rigging things in their favour. If we had perfect competition then companies like Tesco couldn't make excess profits of a couple of billion. Barristers and doctors couldn't run their closed shops either.

I am quite aware that people hold different views - but to be plain inconsistent is something else!

Its not a ridiculous comparison because the principle is exactly the same! If you believe that a lad raised in a particular village has some kind of intrinsic 'right', over and above an outsider, to step into a village farming job, that is the same principle as believing that a doctors son should have a superior 'right' to get into medical school.
The principle is exactly the same - just for some inexplicable reason, some people champion the rights of one but not the other!

brilliant response DBA!!

bet a lot of posters haven't half the qualifications you have yet try to tell you how it is..........

brilliant!

Love to hear the brilliant economic theory too!

DBA - in what manner are doctors running a closed shop? Do tell....

If you believe that a lad raised in a particular village has some kind of intrinsic 'right', over and above an outsider, to step into a village farming job, that is the same principle as believing that a doctors son should have a superior 'right' to get into medical school.

It is not that they have the 'right' to take over, and sometimes they don't, it is simply the expected thing to keep the business in the family; a lad will be trained from birth and like any business the father can but hope his son (or daughter, let's not be sexist) will one day take over the family reins of keeping the farm (or whatever ) going to retain the families livelihood.
This is not the same as simply stepping into a role of judge because of who your father is and because he's greased the palms of a few other 'old boys' in the network.
The farm lad will take over because he knows it inside out, the lawyer will get the job because of who his father is.

An ex of mine from yrs ago had friends at work who's fathers worked in the stock exchange. They got jobs there because their fathers worked there, even though they were fundamentally thick as two short planks...my ex went for a job there but was refused even though he had much better quals than his previous work colleagues.

There are many problems with our economic system. We don't have perfect competition, very far from it. We have an economy rife with monopolistic abuses and powerful vested interests rigging things in their favour. If we had perfect competition then companies like Tesco couldn't make excess profits of a couple of billion. Barristers and doctors couldn't run their closed shops either.

If I could give a thumbs up I would but have to make do with well said. At last the voice of reason and knowledge!

(sigh) you didn't mention family businesses at all in your previous post- you mentioned lads being raised to work in farming jobs in their village - as if there is some intrinsic 'right' that they have over and above outsiders. One rule for nepotism when it suits .......

Nup, not communism, socialism.
Is there really any argument on this thread that the cost of living and the average wage are disparate?

It should be that the average working family should not need tax credits.... they shouldn't need a top up. Either their earnings need to go up or the cost of living needs to fall.

And why should someone who 'knows a job inside out' because their dad does it trump someone else who might have just as good an aptitude and understanding but hasn't had the good fortune to be born into that family?! Nope, don't agree with your tolerance of nepotism at all

DoesBuggerAll

Hopefully with your economics knowledge, you'll know that whilst our model isn't perfect and indeed has a lot of scope for improvement, it's a damn sight better than the alternatives.

(sigh) you didn't mention family businesses at all in your previous post- you mentioned lads being raised to work in farming jobs in their village - as if there is some intrinsic 'right' that they have over and above outsiders. One rule for nepotism when it suits .......

(Sigh) Didn't realise one had to have common sense to have got that bit, sorry!
It's highly unlikely that someone not born and bred on a farm and with limited knowledge of farming could do the job better than someone who has. Thought that'd be pretty obvious too. Again, sorry!
Very different scenario for someone in Law though; they could be equally qualified but not know the 'right' people to pat 'em on the back.
Hardly nepotism dear, just statements of fact from many years of being on this earth and seeing it over and over; the handhsakes, the showing of the right nipple etc...
All variations on a theme.

Now I'm bowing out of this cos frankly it is beginning to bore me going round in circles knowing, also from many years of life on this earth, that nothing will change however much you beat the same old drum.
Nos da all

Thanks for clarifying your justification - born and bred in a particular family? Pat on the back and welcome to a job for life!

Sorry don't agree with you- but I do agree it's time to bow out with those views !!

If I owned a farm I wouldn't limit my childs skill set to farming , or worst just assume my children wanted to follow me into farming.

Why on earth would you impose such strict limiations and pigeon hole your own children like that?

I agree coco- I would want my children to aspire to the Job that would suit them best. And I would want the best possible person for the job on my farm.