Thoughts of IVF lotto

[welshbyrd]

I apologies if it has already been done, but what do we all think about it?

"Sperm donation and surrogacy - yes"

So, should we fund them on the NHS? Maybe see surrogacy in the same way we see organ donation?

kendodd, I know you are purposefully being offensive, but your statement does sound like you have a baby for doing something right. its a reward. Ive heard it so often from my parents, friends, acquaintances... its a basic human function. its what we are here for. some people are born with poor eyesight, they have glasses to "improve their quality of life", ditto, poor hearing, mental health problems. do they have the right to be able to see clearly? hear better? live happier lives? infertility is a disorder of the reproductive system. IVF is treatment for it.

sorry, AREN'T.

"kendodd, I know you are purposefully being offensive"

Actually, I'm not and I'm sorry if I've upset you.

"but your statement does sound like you have a baby for doing something right. its a reward"

I don't know where you got that from? Is certainly not what I think.

it was a typo, I know you arent.

its the phrase "privilege rather than a right" when ds does really well at school I let him have an hour on his wii. its a privilege I take away when he is misbehaving.

you blame yourself every month for not getting pregnant, or in my case for not staying pregnant. what did I do wrong? why can they do it and not me? it makes it sound like having a baby is a reward for good behaviour, and having faulty plumbing is your punishment because you havent earned the privilege.

interesting article

Yes. IVF cycles where the couple's embryos are created and then put into the surrogate should be given similar funding as for someone who can carry the embryos themselves.

"So, should we fund them on the NHS?"

And I can't see any problem with sperm donation on the NHS either. The result is infinitely greater than the small cost.

Children may well be a privilege, but I don't see why only the people with correctly working anatomy get to have them.

I don't think people are automatically entitled to them, but as it happens the majority of couples have kids without anyone having any say in the matter anyway.

The ones who have NHS IVF have to jump through a hell of a lot of hoops just for the chance of possibly getting pregnant. They don't all (I guess some might) assume having children is a right - if they are like me they are thankful that the NHS currently enables some people to receive treatment for the fact they can't have children naturally.

I would also like to make the point that people who are ftc are typically more aware of how much of a gift children are. If anything they see children as less of a right than the ragingly fertile.

interesting article, though I think it plays a little into the hands of those who follow the 'you should have babies earlier then' line.

We all know (those of us with fertility issues) that time goes by from the initial GP appointment to discuss your difficulty having children, and that being 39 (or a similar age) is something which comes along over the years you have been trying naturally then trying to be taken seriously by Doctors and so on.

dueling, exactly. I am 33. a mere child really, not even out of my prime. yet I am nearing that magic 35 years faster than I care to think. my fertility is already waning and I have been ttc for 6 years, in my mid 20's when we started ttc #2.

my friend is 30 and went through the menopause at 25, she is not eligible for NHS ivf because her dh fathered a child when he was 17, whom his ex will not let him see.