AIBU to wonder why any woman would identify herself as [2]

[garlicnutter]

... not a feminist?

Since I killed the old one.

I'd never heard of them either until this thread - so they can't be that 'active'

not protocol - etiquette is a better word.

UMS, the interesting thing is that the so called fascist misodimist feminists have never said to me not to post. Therefore it stands to reason that the reputation is a bit exaggerated (going sort of back to the riginal theme of the thread).

No I get that, SAF. That is always the worry. But as soon as you have doubts I would discuss them off the board rather than in front of him. He clearly gets his jollys from being recognised.

'focus on those who genuinely want to engage without resorting to belittling and personal attacks and without bearing grudges.'

Lenin, it seems that lots of posters have grudges against dittany. Are those the posters you are talking about? Can you make it clear who you are talking about?

It's a new day, it's a new dawn etc

How about if we all move on, genuinely, and agree to all try harder?
Isn't that what we'd say to our children?

Rehashing and rehashing just makes the bitternesses and resentments fester and grow, we all want the same thing in the end, don't we?

I think loads of things were said here and elsewhere and everyone got cross and said more things, but in the end we really could put it behind us and move on and agree, as Lenin said, to all stick to the rules.

No?

This troll under various guises has influenced some regular posters with his spurious equalist arguments. That is why he needs to be challenged. He is openly boasting about how he has sown the seeds of dissension on his MRA website. He is laughing at how clever he is in creating strife and influencing regular posters and setting them up against each other. Of course, it needs challenging, otherwise he will keep resurfacing to do more of the same.

Oh I love Nina Simone - although Muse do the best version of 'feeling good'

Lenin, that's probably one of the most important themes to come out of this thread. It's separated a lot of fact from fiction, IMO. I know not everyone listened to what they read, but I've found it quite interesting to see the difference between myths and actual complaints. And I think that it would be an idea for both sides to listen to eachother, and take all this on board.

I've also been interested in this because it's a perspective I don't normally see directly. So I don't for certain how far we are with this feminism, and I don't know for sure how far we've got to go; what are the aims now. And how long people expect/want it to take to get there?

Lenin while I see where you're coming from because I tried to do the same thing myself (i.e. ignore and carry on with a sensible debate), I think it's also important to point out bullying and personal attacks when you see them. To ignore those makes you complicit IMO.

the you in that last sentence is a general you BTW (one sounds too poncey and I may be accused of being too intellectual and inaccessible again. )