AIBU to wonder why any woman would identify herself as [2]

[garlicnutter]

... not a feminist?

Since I killed the old one.

Dittany why are you here?

We want to have a lovely ol chit chat, we don't need haranguing. Why don't you give yourself a break from your one woman tireless crusade against Everyone Else Who Is Wrong?

Have to pull you up there, Omigawd.

Or at least, you may think that, but I don't. As said, it's just a couple of bangers-on that spoil it for me.

I actually think the so-called "anti-feminists" (you're either with or us against us, thanks George Bush) have been very polite in not naming the bullies.

It's the sons, iniit? Everything changes when you have sons. You look at them all loving when they are small and you see how frail and vulnerable they are and you want to make the world a better place for ALL.

I hagree, SF. I imagine it was meant humpurously, but I say, stick to the love.

humpourously. oh yes.

do you think radical feminists only have daughters, Hully?

I don't think bitching about people without naming them is polite, I think it's passive aggressive: it means they can say what they want without having to back it up or allowing anyone to defend themselves, and they're less likely to get reported.

Yes, and I think they use parthogenesis. Don't tell me it's not true!!!

Wow, I had no idea it was so mean here! I thought this was a community where people could speak freely.

And mine, Lenin.

You are allowed to form any opinion you like but it was the fact that you jumped on somebody for having a different opinion. That opinion is perfectly valid and makes them no less a feminist than you (even if you don't see it that way) but you don't want to allow it because it gets in the way of your discussion. Well, it isn't much of a discussion if all you do is agree with one another. Nor is it furthering any cause or addressing any of the issues, or most importantly making any changes to the unfairness as it stands. Can't you see it affects your crediability if you make such sweeping assumptions that the legal system is always flawed and that the people in it are always anti-feminist?

No I don't suppose you can. Stupid question really.

Ok, my post re sons (which did contain a question mark), comes from personal experience. Of course it isn't necessarily shared.

And I have a small female too, and want her to walk free and proud.

sunshineandbooks - as I said, I would like the government to help families more, the fact that we seem to be moving further away from a welfare state that would do this is terrible. Both main parties are in league with big business, and long term investment via happy babies who see lots of both their parents is not their priority. Although because I think most men would love more paternity time, is it a feminist issue or just a social issue?

As for domestic violence, I can't agree that alleged perpetrators should be hauled off just because the police have been called. The police will tell you how often they have to come out to domestic incidents in which both couples are arguing, neither clearly an abuser. I don't call this 'false accusations,' it's part and parcel of how some people live, and for others maybe a rare incident but people argue and sometimes tempers get frayed. If there is evidence of physical abuse then they will arrest - and if there's a history of arrests then maybe it would be fair to cart him off and let the woman (and children) stay in the house. But will they be safe? Either he's locked up indefinitely or there's a real chance he will want to get back into his home and the woman is at risk. Isn't she safer in a shelter for a while?

I really think it would be wrong to give anyone the power to say 'if I call the police I'll say you are abusing me and they will lock you up with no evidence' I think it would be abused all the time by the sort of people you get on Jeremy Kyle certain people. The emphasis must be on encouraging people to leave violent relationships.

I consider myself a feminist, I've spent large chunks of my life as a single parent, I've been a victim of DV, I've suffered sexism in the workplace, I've had to look out for myself. However, I DO NOT subscribe to the MN brand of feminism. I have lurked on the feminist board and I've seen enough to know it's dominated by a few bullies. This bullying and belittling is allowed to continue because it's being done in the name of 'feminism and womens rights' as if that excuses the behaviour ( it obviously does ) any other poster displaying this type of 'style' would end up being banned. And just because you identify yourself as a feminist and post regularly on their boards doesn't mean you can't be a trouble-maker.
I would like to see the feminist section deleted altogether, it's created divisions I've never seen on any other forum.

I liked the remark in the Grauniad about men saying "they have a weakness for women" as if women were ice cream.

DSK types need a big ol testosterone drain inserting.

Not a single person on this or the previous thread has stated that they're anti-feminist. They all believe in equality for women. The fact that there have been 1300 posts on this topics shows beyond any doubt there is a problem. Why can't the Radical Feminists recognise that?