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to think that there are too many selfish couples like this ruining people's meals with a screaming baby.

115 replies

theinet · 28/06/2011 21:21

Company director Clive Merrifield, 45, was enjoying an evening meal with partner Idalina Lucas when he politely suggested Billy West, 20, and his girlfriend put the wailing seven-month-old to bed.
West approached the couple's neighbouring table, pulled a bottle of white wine from their ice bucket and brought it down at 'full force' onto Mr Merrifield's skull in front of other customers.
The victim was left with a 'four inch ragged scar' on his scalp following the brutal assault at Parveen, an Indian Restaurant in Theberton Street, Islington, north London.
The former soldier fears the wound makes him look like a thug and is anxious about his image with employees and clients, Blackfriars Crown Court heard.
Karen Robinson, prosecuting, said the clash took place shortly after 10pm on October 9 last year after the baby had been crying for up to half an hour.
West was sitting at a table with his young family and another man, and Mr Merrifield and Ms Lucas were at the next.
'The baby was crying and the lady was seen to get up and down and make moves in an effort to comfort the baby,' said the barrister.
'It was described as consistent and persistent and went on for about 15 to 30 minutes.
'Other customers were looking in the direction of the baby during the course of this period.
'Mr Merrifield said he had had a couple of drinks but describes himself as sober.'
The prosecutor said Mr Merrifield became 'frustrated by the crying and put his head in his hands', and told Ms Lucas: 'I've had enough.'
The victim stood up, approached West's party and said: 'It's a quiet restaurant. We're trying to have a quiet dinner and your baby's not stopped crying.
'Maybe your baby is tired?'
Witnesses described his tone as 'polite and reasonable', but nontheless West's girlfriend held the child aloft and said sarcastically: 'It's a baby.'
Mr Merrifield suggested the tot 'ought to be in bed', prompting West and the second man to stand up and invite him to settle the matter 'outside'.
Staff asked them to leave the restaurant and West was ushered towards the door.
But they 'continued to remonstrate with staff' and CCTV shows West returning to Mr Merrifield, who had stayed sitting down.
'He took a glass wine bottle from its ice bucket and hit him to the back of the head, smashing it on impact,' said the prosecutor.
A witness described West taking the weapon 'high and behind his head and taking aim, bringing it down with full force'.
Mr Merrifield said he 'felt a blow' to the back of his head which left him 'shocked, stunned and disorientated'.
West simply walked to the door and left the premises.
The vicitm was taken to hospital where he was given an emergency x-ray and 16 stitches.

OP posts:
agedknees · 29/06/2011 15:15

Poor baby, crying for food, for peace, for sleep, for comfort.

Parents do sound selfish because they put themselves first and not the baby.

northerngirl41 · 29/06/2011 15:25

They had some stupid woman on 5Live last night who defended her children's rights to make every other dinner miserable in the restaurant by screaming because "they're people too". Um, yes, which is why you should be asked to LEAVE if your child isn't behaving properly just like the drunken yob would be asked to leave or the crying woman who's been dumped or the screeching hen party asked to keep it down.

Except restaurants are petrified of doing that because the parents instantly come on Mumsnet and boycott the place, cause ££££s of bad publicity even when it's not the restaurant's fault.

What I'd like to ask is why didn't the restaurant owner ask the parents with the distressed baby to leave? Actually we should be boycotting the places who DON'T ask people to keep their kids under control, it reflects badly on every parent and leads to our well behaved children getting banned or death stares from other diners when they go into a restaurant.

And as for the argument that "on the continent, children are welcomed into restaurants" that's because the parents would be mortified to have their child spoill someone else's evening and take them outside when they misbehave.

SinicalSal · 29/06/2011 15:27

So a drunk woman or similar making noise is annoying - because they could choose to stop, so it's the inconsideration & self absorbtion that riles.

But a baby making a similar noise is not annoying - even though the inconsideration & self absorption (by the parents obv) thing is equivalent.

And the actual noise itself is irrelevant

That's totally illogical.

donnie · 29/06/2011 15:29

How very Islington, though, that the weapon used was a bottle of wine.

Had it been Hackkers it would be a brick. Or a used syringe!

(lowers the tone)

tazmin · 29/06/2011 15:33

What I'd like to ask is why didn't the restaurant owner ask the parents with the distressed baby to leave?

i think they did, thats why the dad got the hump and came back and whacked other bloke

SeymoreButts · 29/06/2011 15:36

Yeah, I'm sick of selfish couples ruining my evening with their screaming babies and acts of grievous bodily harm.

Rockerchic · 29/06/2011 15:40

If we go out for a meal somewhere nice we get a sitter. We are happy to take DD to a harvester or local carvery in the day where there's a play area, but no way we'd take her to a nice restraunt, that's our time together.

Crosshair · 29/06/2011 15:50

Cant we all just get along?

RafaNadalIsMyLoveSlave · 29/06/2011 15:59

Well, he's been jailed for two years and five months...

SinicalSal · 29/06/2011 16:10

'Well, he's been jailed for two years and five months...'
The BABY? Shock That's a bit harsh, even for a bit of a Law'n'Order girl such as myself

Gracie123 · 29/06/2011 16:11

PMSL Sinical

Evilclown · 29/06/2011 16:18

The guy that was hit was on Jeremy Vine's show yesterday. He did mention that it was his wine that the assailant used which made it worse.

melikalikimaka · 29/06/2011 16:37

You're forgetting that an Indian restaurant would also have strong smells, which might upset a little one. Certain smells upset my tum, like cigar smoke.

LieInsAreRarerThanTigers · 29/06/2011 16:43

Not sure why the time of day is relevant to the annoyingness of the noise...has other relevance maybe, but a screaming baby at lunchtime is surely just as annoying?
We have a secret weapon, 6yo ds takes it upon himself to try to comfort any crying baby in the vicinity and he usually manages it too!

northerngirl41 · 29/06/2011 16:50

But tazmin how would they have known it was that bloke who complained? In that situation I very quietly go up to the bar/attract one of the staff and ask nicely for them to ask the noisy party to keep it down or take it outside. If they refuse to (and believe me, this happens a lot!) then I'd ask for the bill for the food I'd been able to eat and then leave. It's the only way to make restaurants enforce good behaviour - hurting them thru the pocket. And I'd write to the management of the restaurant afterwards and explain how much money they'd lost out on by not having a policy about noisy patrons being asked to leave.

Suppose the bloke might well have gone directly to the parents or been fobbed off by the restaurant and gone himself...

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